Freedom

AnyOldIron said:
there seems to be some people that the "strong" would take from, would force to do things.

In absolute freedom, everyone can do as they will provided that they are physically capable.

The strong might tyrannise the weak but that is because they are physically capable, if the weak were stronger then they would too.

To ensure the weak can exercise freedoms, you have to limit the will of the strong.

Either way, someone's will get's frustrated...
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You keep mucking that up. "Absolute Freedom" includes people that would be subjugated under your exaggerated pretense. You pretend that it would mean that because you believe that individual freedom is unimportant and want to make it seem evil. It is why others in the thread said there is no such thing as absolute freedom.
 
"Absolute Freedom" includes people that would be subjugated under your exaggerated pretense.

Then your idea of absolute freedom also includes subjugation. The will of the powerful is subjugated to allow the liberty of the powerless.

to me, absolute freedom is without restriction beyond physical capability.
 
AnyOldIron said:
"Absolute Freedom" includes people that would be subjugated under your exaggerated pretense.

Then your idea of absolute freedom also includes subjugation. The will of the powerful is subjugated to allow the liberty of the powerless.

to me, absolute freedom is without restriction beyond physical capability.
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Yes. Your illuminati masters have instilled in your their Thelemic evil.
 
AnyOldIron said:
"Absolute Freedom" includes people that would be subjugated under your exaggerated pretense.

Then your idea of absolute freedom also includes subjugation. The will of the powerful is subjugated to allow the liberty of the powerless.

to me, absolute freedom is without restriction beyond physical capability.
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No, it doesn't. The only way to acheive 'absolute freedom' is to be the only human left alive.

I have stated, as others have stated, there is no such thing. Then you come up with this idiotic thing, that is clearly not "absolute freedom" as there are people who are being subjugated to say, "This is what freedom will get you! Baaad, Baad thing that freedom, Wot?!"

It's all based on the unobtainable, and pretends that freedom is abuse.
 
The only way to acheive 'absolute freedom' is to be the only human left alive.

Then that individual isn't free to subjugate, if that is their will.

Only the strongest are absolutely free.
 
AnyOldIron said:
The only way to acheive 'absolute freedom' is to be the only human left alive.

Then that individual isn't free to subjugate, if that is their will.

Only the strongest are absolutely free.
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Nobody is absolutely free. Even those who subjugate. This is an unobtainable dream. It is pretense.
 
Nobody is absolutely free. Even those who subjugate. This is an unobtainable dream. It is pretense.

What about the strongest, those who'se will cannot be deferred or denied?
 
AnyOldIron said:
Nobody is absolutely free. Even those who subjugate. This is an unobtainable dream. It is pretense.

What about the strongest, those who'se will cannot be deferred or denied?
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There will always be the up and coming, the new, the stronger. Each lives in fear of the 'next'. There is no such thing as 'absolute freedom' unless the will is to be alone and you are the last.
 
There will always be the up and coming, the new, the stronger. Each lives in fear of the 'next'. There is no such thing as 'absolute freedom' unless the will is to be alone and you are the last.

So absolute freedom is a momentary phenomenon, only exercised by the strongest whilst they remain so?

Ever read Isaiah Berlin?
 
AnyOldIron said:
There will always be the up and coming, the new, the stronger. Each lives in fear of the 'next'. There is no such thing as 'absolute freedom' unless the will is to be alone and you are the last.

So absolute freedom is a momentary phenomenon, only exercised by the strongest whilst they remain so?

Ever read Isaiah Berlin?
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Hence, why a discussion of relative freedom is more useful than your absolutist lunacy.
 
Hence, why a discussion of relative freedom is more useful than your absolutist lunacy.

But I don't take absolute freedom to be the ability to do anything free of subjugation. I consider it to be the freedom to act as one's will dictates, provided the person has the physical capability to do so.

Don't chirp in unless you understand the subject...
 
AnyOldIron said:
There will always be the up and coming, the new, the stronger. Each lives in fear of the 'next'. There is no such thing as 'absolute freedom' unless the will is to be alone and you are the last.

So absolute freedom is a momentary phenomenon, only exercised by the strongest whilst they remain so?

Ever read Isaiah Berlin?
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No, even while they remain the 'strongest' they still look over their shoulders for the next.

You keep pretending that freedom is abuse and punishment. It is not. This is not 'absolute freedom'.
 
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