From a friend on FB, re ACA

Taft2016 said:
Just saw this on FB:
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$...the fine this year is $95 per person (up to a family maximum of $285) or 1 percent of family income, whichever is greater. If the liar above makes $50,000, then some simple math says the fine is $500. I cannot verify the first part because as is typical the government can't get the website up and running, but it's likely a lie, too. The last part is also a lie. The fine is paid via your income tax return. If you don't pay your taxes they will collect them the same way they always do. Sometimes the Internet is really a bad thing."

Or...

"This "fellow" is lying through his teeth. There is NO exchange plan that will allow a $14,000 deductible. Nor have I seen any part of the country where an individual rate is $600, unless he is s smoker, which can up your rate.

What he was quoted is very likely what a regular insurance company would have quoted him prior to the ACA, though, so I suspect he is simply recycling a quote he got last year as one more bit of terrorization and negative lying propaganda against Obamacare."

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=325311&p=1063152140
 
christiefan915 said:
$...the fine this year is $95 per person (up to a family maximum of $285) or 1 percent of family income, whichever is greater. If the liar above makes $50,000, then some simple math says the fine is $500. I cannot verify the first part because as is typical the government can't get the website up and running, but it's likely a lie, too. The last part is also a lie. The fine is paid via your income tax return. If you don't pay your taxes they will collect them the same way they always do. Sometimes the Internet is really a bad thing."

Or...

"This "fellow" is lying through his teeth. There is NO exchange plan that will allow a $14,000 deductible. Nor have I seen any part of the country where an individual rate is $600, unless he is s smoker, which can up your rate.

What he was quoted is very likely what a regular insurance company would have quoted him prior to the ACA, though, so I suspect he is simply recycling a quote he got last year as one more bit of terrorization and negative lying propaganda against Obamacare."

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=325311&p=1063152140
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Thanks, this is what I thought, people believe everything posted on fb, it cracks me up! But then again it disturbs me as well.
 
Rana said:
Thanks, this is what I thought, people believe everything posted on fb, it cracks me up! But then again it disturbs me as well.
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I swear the "Will Sheehan" of the FB rant must be a tea party plant. Here's what I found on penalties. Daft needs to stop getting his propaganda from Infowars.
How the ObamaCare Tax Penalty Works

Your tax penalty (shared responsibility fee) for not having insurance is paid on your taxes at the end of the year. If your taxable income is below 133% of the FPL you are exempt from this tax.

2014 = $95 per person per year or 1% of your Income
2015 = $325 per person per year or 2% of your Income
2016 = $695 per person per year or 2.5% of your Income
2017 = Tax Penalty will increase by the rate of inflation going forward, or 2.5% of your Income
The total penalty for the taxable year cannot exceed the national average of the annual premiums of a bronze-level health insurance plan offered through the health insurance marketplaces.

And as far as liens...

As we have written before, the law specifically precludes jail as a penalty for those who do not pay the fine for failing to buy insurance. It is spelled out in a section called "Waiver of Criminal Penalties." (See page 131)

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act: In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.
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The law also spells out that the IRS can't use liens or levies as enforcement tools.

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act: The Secretary [of Health and Human Services] shall not file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section … or levy on any such property with respect to such failure.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/29/fact-check-ted-cruz-obamacare-health-care/2890995/
 
The more I hear about this, the more nauseous I feel.

On the local news here, a guy having to get a new health care plan for his family found out that Obamacare REQUIRES him to pay for maternity coverage, even tho they dont plan on more kids. He cannot opt out of it.

They said that states can opt out of things like that, but it takes state legislation to do so.

wtf?

(His new plan thru work: $300 more. Thru Obamacare: $530 more.)
 
PostmodernProphet said:
that's going to be a windfall for Michigan insurance companies.....we used to limit them to a 7% profit.....Obama raised that to 20.....I wonder if that's what they meant when they said he was in the pocket of insurance companies......
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Seven per cent, did any of them go bankrupt because of this?
 
Lorca said:
The more I hear about this, the more nauseous I feel.

On the local news here, a guy having to get a new health care plan for his family found out that Obamacare REQUIRES him to pay for maternity coverage, even tho they dont plan on more kids. He cannot opt out of it.

They said that states can opt out of things like that, but it takes state legislation to do so.

wtf?

(His new plan thru work: $300 more. Thru Obamacare: $530 more.)
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that's how insurance works. You pay; everything is covered. That spreads the costs across a larger pool.

I don't have kids. Why do I pay taxes for schools?

I imagine my insurance covers vasectomies, even though I'll never have one.
 
Lorca said:
The more I hear about this, the more nauseous I feel.

On the local news here, a guy having to get a new health care plan for his family found out that Obamacare REQUIRES him to pay for maternity coverage, even tho they dont plan on more kids. He cannot opt out of it.

They said that states can opt out of things like that, but it takes state legislation to do so.

wtf?

(His new plan thru work: $300 more. Thru Obamacare: $530 more.)
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It's fair enough and beats women facing discrimination for being pregnant.

"First, the Affordable Care Act eliminates the discrimination that women have faced when buying insurance. For years, insurance companies may have charged women up to ten times more for their insurance than they charged men. Women often were denied coverage because of a “pre-existing” condition. As Senator Barbara Mikulski, Democrat of Maryland, recently said, ”Maternity was considered a pre-existing condition. In some instances, if you’d had a premature birth or a C-section, you were denied coverage, because it was a pre-existing condition. In eight states, if you were a victim of domestic violence, that was counted as a pre-existing condition and you couldn’t get access to healthcare.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs.../30/women-win-some-lose-some-under-obamacare/
 
christiefan915 said:
It's fair enough and beats women facing discrimination for being pregnant.

"First, the Affordable Care Act eliminates the discrimination that women have faced when buying insurance. For years, insurance companies may have charged women up to ten times more for their insurance than they charged men. Women often were denied coverage because of a “pre-existing” condition. As Senator Barbara Mikulski, Democrat of Maryland, recently said, ”Maternity was considered a pre-existing condition. In some instances, if you’d had a premature birth or a C-section, you were denied coverage, because it was a pre-existing condition. In eight states, if you were a victim of domestic violence, that was counted as a pre-existing condition and you couldn’t get access to healthcare.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs.../30/women-win-some-lose-some-under-obamacare/
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It absolutely sucks. People shouldnt start families if they cant afford the health coverage for them and that includes maternity care. It's a choice, and no way should I be paying for it.

I do object to having to pay for (often) crappy public schools that seem very ineffective and embarrassingly behind other countries. I can see how an 'educated society' helps all society but that can be applied to alot of things and while I understand it, I dont necessarily agree with how its applied.

Not only that, it's a racket. Everyone pays into the maternity coverage....but only a certain percentage of it gets used since not everyone gets pregnant. Where is the rest of that $$$ going? Does anyone even THINK to ask the question?

So tell me again why I have to pay for other people to have kids?
 
Lorca said:
It absolutely sucks. People shouldnt start families if they cant afford the health coverage for them and that includes maternity care. It's a choice, and no way should I be paying for it.

I do object to having to pay for (often) crappy public schools that seem very ineffective and embarrassingly behind other countries. I can see how an 'educated society' helps all society but that can be applied to alot of things and while I understand it, I dont necessarily agree with how its applied.

Not only that, it's a racket. Everyone pays into the maternity coverage....but only a certain percentage of it gets used since not everyone gets pregnant. Where is the rest of that $$$ going? Does anyone even THINK to ask the question?

So tell me again why I have to pay for other people to have kids?
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I don't like war, I hate that I have to pay taxes to support military actions.

Do you pay taxes? Do you follow laws?

You still have the choice not to conform, but there are consequences.
 
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