From a friend on FB, re ACA

Mott the Hoople said:
Well yea...when you consider that I and other tax payers will have to pay for your sorry ass when you get sick or hurt cause you didn't carry insurance. It's you who has an interesting definition of the term.
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You are making the assumption that because one doesn't carry insurance that they can't afford to go to the doctor. You are also making the assumption that because one doesn't have insurance they can't afford to pay if they go to the emergency room.

You still get billed if you go to the emergency room. If I don't pay it my credit gets fvcked so it's not like it's some free ride where nothing negative happens to me.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Yes, yes, Taxes are tyranny, serving your nation via the draft at a time of war is tyranny, paying automobile insurance is tyranny, doing your homework is tyranny, taking the trash out is tyranny, yadda, yadda, yadda.
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Marxism is tyranny. Which is this healthcare law, and income tax, prohibiting guns, Federally controled schools, Federal reserve, and a few others.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
that's going to be a windfall for Michigan insurance companies.....we used to limit them to a 7% profit.....Obama raised that to 20.....I wonder if that's what they meant when they said he was in the pocket of insurance companies......
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States can still set their own limits. They just have to meet or beat the Afordable Care Acts standards, but you knew this.
 
Liberty said:
Marxism is tyranny. Which is this healthcare law, and income tax, prohibiting guns, Federally controled schools, Federal reserve, and a few others.
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Tyranny is a pretty flexible term. I see a pretty small handful of alleged "lawmakers" holding America hostage right now, and trying to withold funding from a democratically approved law/program.
 
tekkychick said:
and they get premiums from more people.

I feel sorry for people in Alaska - just saw a comparison of costs on MSNBC and it looks like Alaska has the highest monthly premiums (they were looking at 55 yr old costs)

Wish my sister there would move someplace else...

Moving for health care though... jeez. Too bad it's not single payer; but it's a start.
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Everything costs more here, it is ridiculous!
 
cawacko said:
Being forced to pay extra, by the government, for something you may not want is personal responsibility? That's an interesting definition of the term.
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It depends on what the government is making you pay for, sometimes, like in the case of healthcare, taxes for roads that benefit you, taxes for the common defence, drafts for wars to defend our nation, it is forcing personal responsibility.

It is not always forcing personal responsibility, Id agree with a that.
 
Dionaea said:
80% on profits,? What will they use to pay their employees? run their business? Why do you think 800000 people paying 30$ a month will pay for 200000 surgeries? the extra comes out of government.

This ACA isnt about decreasing inequality. This is about increasing equality. Only two ways to make people equal, lift them up or bring them down. This plan further shovee your imaginary middle class down with the poor. Now they even sharethe same heqlth coverage.
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Huh?
 
Superfreak said:
Do you understand what personal responsibility is?

Who is refusing to be personally responsible and getting pissed?
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Almost any person without health insurance, or who does not buy health insurance for there kids is refusing personal responsibility because everyone is susceptible to illness and 99% would want to be cared for if they get sick.
 
Superfreak said:
LMAO... So you think they are unable to be responsible unless the government forces them to buy something? That is Desh level stupidity.
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I think there are many people who can be responsible without the government forcing them to be. I for example provide healthcare for myself, my wife, my three kids and my two employees.

I know many who don't get healthcare for themselves, there kids, or there employees. They simply plan on depending on the government to care for them if they get sick.
 
cawacko said:
You are making the assumption that because one doesn't carry insurance that they can't afford to go to the doctor. You are also making the assumption that because one doesn't have insurance they can't afford to pay if they go to the emergency room.

You still get billed if you go to the emergency room. If I don't pay it my credit gets fvcked so it's not like it's some free ride where nothing negative happens to me.
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Do you think some people care about their credit, lol, especially those using the emergency room for healthcare?

If you can afford to pay your medical out of pocket, then you can afford to pay the fine ;)
 
Jarod said:
It depends on what the government is making you pay for, sometimes, like in the case of healthcare, taxes for roads that benefit you, taxes for the common defence, drafts for wars to defend our nation, it is forcing personal responsibility.

It is not always forcing personal responsibility, Id agree with a that.
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If I am young and healthy the government forcing me to buy insurance to subsidize older citizens is not personal responsibility.

If I am young and healthy and choose not to purchase health insurance yet set aside money to pay for any medical needs am I not being responsible?
 
Rana said:
Do you think some people care about their credit, lol, especially those using the emergency room for healthcare?

If you can afford to pay your medical out of pocket, then you can afford to pay the fine ;)
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Mott asked me the question to which I responded. Yes I care about my credit.
 
cawacko said:
If I am young and healthy the government forcing me to buy insurance to subsidize older citizens is not personal responsibility.

If I am young and healthy and choose not to purchase health insurance yet set aside money to pay for any medical needs am I not being responsible?
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Your house is not on fire today, so, will you cancel your homeowners policy?
 
cawacko said:
If I am young and healthy the government forcing me to buy insurance to subsidize older citizens is not personal responsibility.

If I am young and healthy and choose not to purchase health insurance yet set aside money to pay for any medical needs am I not being responsible?
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That's kind of like saying you don't need car insurance, because you're a careful driver.

Someone can be young & healthy and take excellent care of themselves, but still be subject to a terrible disease or accident or other unexpected health crisis.
 
Jarod said:
Almost any person without health insurance, or who does not buy health insurance for there kids is refusing personal responsibility because everyone is susceptible to illness and 99% would want to be cared for if they get sick.
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That is nonsense.

1) A person who is healthy that decides to pay out of pocket for preventative care rather than pay obscene amounts for health insurance is still being responsible.

2) You pretending that they wouldn't pay should the catastrophic accident happen is nothing short of ignorance.

3) Yes, everyone is susceptible to illness. But the common illnesses do not require expensive doctors visits. They require cough/flu/sinus medication.

4) I accept the fact that some will not pay should they take the chance and that others will have to cover them. Which is precisely the same damn thing Obama care forces on us. It forces us to pay into the system to cover those that either can't or won't pay for themselves.

5) Stop and think about it for a moment... What percent of people do you think actually consume more in medical care than they pay in insurance premiums? As you think about it, remember that insurance companies are profitable. (though they are nowhere near the most profitable of sectors in our market place)

6) Under Obama care, there are still very high (relative to income) deductibles and max out of pocket expenses that the lower and lower middle class families won't be able to afford should the catastrophic occur to them. While the costs of the insurance may get subsidized for some, what happens when the catastrophic accidents/illnesses occur to them?
 
cawacko said:
If I am young and healthy the government forcing me to buy insurance to subsidize older citizens is not personal responsibility.

If I am young and healthy and choose not to purchase health insurance yet set aside money to pay for any medical needs am I not being responsible?
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Not really. I mean, maybe won't be unlucky and the amount that you set aside will cover your expenses, but you get insurance to protect against the unforseen. Like, maybe you wake up tomorrow with blurry vision and it turns out you have MS. Did you save enough for that?
 
Thing1 said:
Tyranny is a pretty flexible term. I see a pretty small handful of alleged "lawmakers" holding America hostage right now, and trying to withold funding from a democratically approved law/program.
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Over 50% of americans don't want Obamacare. It was passed in a shady way, and people are doing their best to tell their reps to get rid of it. The people who passed this law are going to start worrying as voters/people see what it's all about.
 
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