From the bastion of the left....

[LadyT]

Actually the contrary, without trying to be difficult. What you are claiming as facts are your perceptions presented as such. I don't buy them. I assume from the get go that whatever I say, will be met as untruth by you.

What specifically did she that wasn't a fact. We all know he lied:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/07/bush.transcript/
"And surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it has used to produce chemical and biological weapons."

"Yet Saddam Hussein has chosen to build and keep these weapons, despite international sanctions,"

 

[LadyT]

Fixed

touche

 

[LadyT]

well folks I have to go to work tomorrow morning.
g'night.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

I believe this logic runs along the same lines as "Saddam wasn't a threat, but war was inevitable!"

One of the other casualties of Bush's folly is the permanent sanity of his followers...

The folly and ignorance of your argument is to continually try to link everyone who disagrees with you to Bush. My opinion is NOT based on Bush. Which is something you twits cannot seem to grasp.

I do not care who was President. I do not think it was necessary to go in when we did. I have stated that clearly. Yet you all want to go off on another of your Bush bashing rants. Fine, rant at Bush... he screwed this up... I have no problem with you bashing his handling of this war.

But what you fail to acknowledge is any alternative other than..."lets use diplomacy"... which clearly "worked" for 12 years. Or you go into the whole "we had him contained" line of thought.... yet fail to realize that containment does NOT solve the problem. It simply contains it until it blows up in your face.

Your faith in the UN to solve this is pathetic.

Side note: If the sanctions had "worked" then they would have achieved their objective and been removed. Claims that they worked are that propagated by UN apologists for 12 years of failure.

 

[LadyT]

The folly and ignorance of your argument is to continually try to link everyone who disagrees with you to Bush. My opinion is NOT based on Bush. Which is something you twits cannot seem to grasp.

I do not care who was President. I do not think it was necessary to go in when we did. I have stated that clearly. Yet you all want to go off on another of your Bush bashing rants. Fine, rant at Bush... he screwed this up... I have no problem with you bashing his handling of this war.

But what you fail to acknowledge is any alternative other than..."lets use diplomacy"... which clearly "worked" for 12 years. Or you go into the whole "we had him contained" line of thought.... yet fail to realize that containment does NOT solve the problem. It simply contains it until it blows up in your face.

Your faith in the UN to solve this is pathetic.

Side note: If the sanctions had "worked" then they would have achieved their objective and been removed. Claims that they worked are that propagated by UN apologists for 12 years of failure.

Where did Lorax say sanctions worked? the only thing I recall any of us ever saying was that the inspections were working.

If I missed something please advise.

 

[uscitizen]

Where did Lorax say sanctions worked? the only thing I recall any of us ever saying was that the inspections were working.

If I missed something please advise.

Agreed, If it anyone except SF said that I missed it.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Where did Lorax say sanctions worked? the only thing I recall any of us ever saying was that the inspections were working.

If I missed something please advise.

yeah... you missed the part where none of you have presented a solution to the problem. Either that or you simply continue to ignore that part.

you are correct... he did say inspections and not sanctions. My fault on that. So let me correct my comment.

If the inspections had "worked" the sanctions would have been lifted. There does that make you feel better?

 

[LadyT]

yeah... you missed the part where none of you have presented a solution to the problem. Either that or you simply continue to ignore that part.

you are correct... he did say inspections and not sanctions. My fault on that. So let me correct my comment.

If the inspections had "worked" the sanctions would have been lifted. There does that make you feel better?

Well, it changes your argument significantly. One could argue with reason that the sanctions were not working. Inspections leading up to the war under Hans blix were.

 

[Cypress]

I suppose if one is going to cling to the thesis that it was inevitable that we had to invade iraq, the only way to cling to that theory is to suggest that inspections and sanction weren't working, and would never work.

The goal of sanctions and inspections was mostly to prevent Saddam from rearming his nation. And since he neither rebuilt WMD, nor even reconstituted a WMD program, the inspections and sanction worked.

The fact that they weren't "lifted" is hardly relevant. That's simply a matter of legalistic protocol. Their goal was achieved.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Well, it changes your argument significantly. One could argue with reason that the sanctions were not working. Inspections leading up to the war under Hans blix were.

Again... ONLY because of the presence of the troop buildup. Not because the failure we call the UN was doing anything.

 

[Cancel7]

I suppose if one is going to cling to the thesis that it was inevitable that we had to invade iraq, the only way to cling to that theory is to suggest that inspections and sanction weren't working, and would never work.

The goal of sanctions and inspections was mostly to prevent Saddam from rearming his nation. And since he neither rebuilt WMD, nor even reconstituted a WMD program, the inspections and sanction worked.

The fact that they weren't "lifted" is hardly relevant. That's simply a matter of legalistic protocol. Their goal was achieved.

And some problems have no solution, and if you can contain the problem, you've "solved" it.

 

[Cypress]

And some problems have no solution, and if you can contain the problem, you've "solved" it.

Bingo.

 

[Cypress]

Colin Powell, February 2001:

"We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He (Saddam) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq..."

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

And some problems have no solution, and if you can contain the problem, you've "solved" it.

LMAO.... I really do like ya, but that is ridiculous. Every problem has a solution. Just because you may not like the answer doesn't mean one doesn't exist.

 

[Cypress]

LMAO.... I really do like ya, but that is ridiculous. Every problem has a solution. Just because you may not like the answer doesn't mean one doesn't exist.

Containment is a realistic solution to an intractable problem. Until a better and more prudent option presents itself.

What do you think our policy towards the Soviet Union was? Invading them and occupying them was not prudent. So, containment was determined to be the best solution.


Colin Powell, February 2001:

"We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He (Saddam) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq..."

 

[uscitizen]

yeah... you missed the part where none of you have presented a solution to the problem. Either that or you simply continue to ignore that part.

you are correct... he did say inspections and not sanctions. My fault on that. So let me correct my comment.

If the inspections had "worked" the sanctions would have been lifted. There does that make you feel better?

I presented the soloution to the problem years ago, before it became a problem. DO NOT INVADE IRAQ.

 

[Cancel7]

LMAO.... I really do like ya, but that is ridiculous. Every problem has a solution. Just because you may not like the answer doesn't mean one doesn't exist.

Of course every problem does not have a solution. You might have a disease that is not curable, but it is containable. It can kill you, but doesn't have to. There is no way to "solve" a disease like that, if your only idea of a solution is a cure. But you can stop it from hurting you or anyone else.

I will say, that men do tend (not all of them) to believe that every problem does have a solution though. Thus causing many problems between the genders, as written about so memorably in the classic "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus".

Which, I will bet, you never bothered to read.

 

[Cancel7]

Bingo.

And, as we can see, Cypress has read Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus...or, was never the kind of man who needed to read it in the first place.

Thus women can safely tell him their problems without him trying to "solve" them for you. And no one needs a man trying to solve your problems. It's like when they insist you don't have to hire a plumber because "any idiot" can fix the pipe. Yeah. We've all be there.

 

[Damocles]

Of course every problem does not have a solution. You might have a disease that is not curable, but it is containable. It can kill you, but doesn't have to. There is no way to "solve" a disease like that, if your only idea of a solution is a cure. But you can stop it from hurting you or anyone else.

I will say, that men do tend (not all of them) to believe that every problem does have a solution though. Thus causing many problems between the genders, as written about so memorably in the classic "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus".

Which, I will bet, you never bothered to read.

Containment would be a form of solution, then you run a cost-basis analysis, is it cost effective to contain the disease? Can you no longer afford to live out the remainder of your life while actually living? Is it, in fact, worth it to spend what it takes to contain the disease.

Not every problem has a 'solution' like 'containment' either. Sometimes the solution is to just let it run its course.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Of course every problem does not have a solution. You might have a disease that is not curable, but it is containable. It can kill you, but doesn't have to. There is no way to "solve" a disease like that, if your only idea of a solution is a cure. But you can stop it from hurting you or anyone else.

I will say, that men do tend (not all of them) to believe that every problem does have a solution though. Thus causing many problems between the genders, as written about so memorably in the classic "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus".

Which, I will bet, you never bothered to read.

Ridiculous. Every problem does have a solution. Just because we have not come up with a cure to a disease does not mean that there isn't a cure. Which is WHY we continue to try to solve problems. We don't just sit around and say, well, since no one has a solution NOW there must not be one, so to hell with it. Just put a bubble around it and hope it doesn't burn us later.