Are you getting mansplained to?
Fukushima disaster; 10yrs on and millions of tonnes of radioactive rubble.
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Are you getting mansplained to?
ThatOwlWoman
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T. A. Gardner
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No they won't. Wind and solar are limited by physics and chemistry. There are no perpetual motion machines and you can't get more energy out of a system than you put into it. The watt density of sunlight alone renders solar unviable as a major source.
But let's focus on this nonsense:
Let's start with cost efficient.
Ivanpah solar in California is the US's largest solar array. It's pertinent characteristics are:
Nameplate output 400 MW
Footprint 4000 acres
Cost (constant 2016 dollars) 2.5 billion
Capacity factor 20.5%
Annual output in operation 82 GW
Palo Verde Nuclear in Arizona
Nameplate output 4000 MW
Footprint 4000 acres
Cost (constant 2016 dollars) 11.5 billion
Capacity factor 94%
Annual output in operation 3760 GW
For a cost of 4.6 (let's call it 5) times that of Ivanpah on the same amount of land Palo Verde Nuclear produces 46 times the power of Ivanpah. That means for solar arrays of the sort Ivanpah represents, it would cost around $110 billion dollars to build the plants, they would cover nearly 200,000 acres of land, and that doesn't include the massive new transmission and storage systems necessary to make 24/7 operation and distribution of power possible.
Solar is incredibly inefficient. If the solar panels were FREE it wouldn't be a viable system. That's how pathetic solar is. You cannot get around physics and chemistry.
As for storage of nuclear waste. That too is already solved. It's just engineering and technical illiterates such as you that won't let it happen. Almost all nuclear waste is alpha and beta emitters at very low levels of output. The storage containers have been tested beyond anything reasonable.
That was the late 70's. We can do even better today. Whining that it can't safely be stored is the stuff of Liberal Arts majors who are scientific illiterates at best and simply idiots on average.
Yucca Mountain is a perfectly viable storage location and the only thing keeping it closed is ignorance, of the sort you display.
There has been no "1000-year contamination event" and Chernobyl only occurred because a radical Leftist Communist government that was unaccountable to the people built an unsafe reactor not used anywhere else in the world because that was known--and the reason they built it was it was cheap and produced weapons grade plutonium as a by-product something the Western / Free world knew and eschewed entirely--and then conducted unnecessary testing on that reactor in an unsafe way.
It is you, Miss Owl Woman, spewing "condescending nonsense."
When nuclear plants are constructed, a battle ensues between regulators and the owners. The owners fight for weaker construction because it is cheaper. They exist for profit. Fukushima was not constructed for an earthquake of the magnitude that hit it. The owners won the debate saying the earthquakes would not get that bad. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...built-to-take-megaquake-idUSTRE74F3ZB20110516
moon
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T. A. Gardner
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The problem at Fukushima wasn't with the original construction, it was with subsequent Japanese culture. The owners of that plant publicly stated it was 100% safe repeatedly over the years. All attempts to test its safety or improve things like raising the seawall--something that had been proposed several times--weren't done because if they were then the plant's management would lose face. Those things would show the plant wasn't 100% safe as is.
The Reuters article misinterprets Japanese culture. The above was pointed out to me by a professor of Japanese history a couple of years ago, or I too wouldn't have caught it.
moon
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If the original construction underwent no changes- and the plant consequently proved disastrous- then the fault(s) lay with the original construction.
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T. A. Gardner
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At the time of construction, the plant met applicable safety standards. Those improved over the years but were not implemented in Japan for the reason given. It wasn't that they couldn't have been but rather that social norms and pressure prevented them from being implemented.
Now, had Fukushima been built to even the same standard as Three Mile Island, the plant might not have survived, but the ensuing accident would have not caused the issues it did. If you look at Fukushima, there is no secondary containment.
Those square blue and white buildings hold the reactors. Those buildings are just like any large office building for all intents, a framework of steel with panels over them.
You can see this here clearly in the aftermath of the disaster.
At TMI, there is a secondary containment. Those are the large reinforced concrete structures you see here.
Those structures were designed to survive an accident and did their job correctly. They kept everything inside and there was no accidental release of radioactive material as a result.
The Japanese forwent that sort of added safety feature in their design and didn't add it at a later date.
Fermi almost blew 3 Mi Island could have been much worse. We have had numerous nuclear accidents. Some very serious. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_nuclear_accidents
I grew up when we all thought nuke was a great way to boil water. We believed in it. It proved itself unreliable.
I grew up when we all thought nuke was a great way to boil water. We believed in it. It proved itself unreliable.
moon
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All eyes on Tokyo, says Beijing, as Japan reportedly plans to sign off on dumping nuclear wastewater into sea on Tuesday
The Chinese Foreign Ministry has said “the international community is watching Japan” and called on Tokyo to “fulfil [its] international responsibilities” as the government there mulls discharging nuclear wastewater into the sea.
https://www.rt.com/news/520769-china-japan-nuclear-waste-ocean/
Does America care ?
moon
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Beijing recommends Japan’s nuclear wastewater be shipped to US as Washington backs Tokyo’s plan to dump radionuclides into sea
A Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson has made the novel suggestion that Washington should take Fukushima’s radioactive wastewater given its insistence that the water is safe enough to be thrown into the seas around Japan.
https://www.rt.com/news/520979-japan-usa-china-beijing-fukushima/
Japanese regulator bans restart at nuclear plant over safety breaches
Fukushima plant operator Tepco suffers blow to plans to resume at its only operable atomic facility
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tart-tepco-nuclear-plant-over-safety-breaches
Another embarrassing incident for the nuclear industry and its ecocidal supporters.
moon
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S. Korean fishermen sail out against Japan’s ‘irresponsible nuclear attack’ as Tokyo plans to dump Fukushima wastewater into ocean
Around 800 fishermen have taken part in rallies across South Korea in demonstrating against Japan’s decision to dump more than one million tons of supposedly treated nuclear wastewater into the sea.
According to Korea’s National Federation of Fisheries Cooperatives, around 800 fishermen participated in demonstrations on Friday. Fishing boats set sail from nine ports across the country, protesting near the shore, chanting slogans and holding banners aloft.
Slogans such as “withdraw Japan’s decision” and “condemn irresponsible nuclear attack” were chanted by the fishermen, who also adorned their vessels with anti-Japan banners.
One fisherman, Park Re-seung, chief of Yongdu-ri fishing village, who said his father had fished in these seas and he intends for his son to follow in his footsteps, questioned Tokyo’s commitment to maintaining the health of the ocean. “Why is Japan doing this? How could they do such a bad thing against the sea? Don’t they eat fish?”
https://www.rt.com/news/522577-south-korea-protest-japan-nuclear/
The ocean's are not Japan's to pollute.
moon
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‘Don’t learn from ostriches’: Beijing tells Tokyo not to bury its head in the sand over Fukushima wastewater row
The Chinese Foreign Ministry has hit out at Tokyo once again as Japan refuses to respond to international criticism over its plans to dump supposedly treated nuclear wastewater from the Fukushima plant into the sea.
Speaking on Friday, Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin reiterated China’s position that the discharge of nuclear wastewater into the sea is a matter concerning all countries and not just Japan.
Wang stated that the international community has generally expressed strong concerns about the possible impact of Japan’s actions but the country’s government is yet to make any comment and ignores its international responsibilities.
https://www.rt.com/news/523157-china-japan-nuclear-waste-sand/
Stand up Kerry- or be mocked for the rest of your career.
moon
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Japanese government sued by South Korean fishers over planned release of Fukushima contaminated water
Two South Korean fisheries associations have filed a lawsuit, demanding the Japanese government’s compensation over its plan to dump contaminated water from the Fukushima nuclear power plant into the sea.
https://www.rt.com/news/523693-japanese-government-south-korean-lawsuit-fukushima/
Aww- c'mon, everybody likes a bit of poisonous radioactive fish.
moon
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Fukushima nuclear plant to construct UNDERSEA tunnel to release a million tons of treated water
The operators of Japan’s Fukushima nuclear power plant have announced plans to build an undersea tunnel to facilitate the release of more than one million tons of treated water from the site into the surrounding ocean.
The 1km-long and eight-feet-wide tunnel will run east from the water container tanks at the nuclear plant into the Pacific Ocean, allowing roughly 1.27 million tons of treated water to be released into the sea, despite opposition from neighboring countries.
https://www.rt.com/news/533045-fukushima-nuclear-plant-undersea-tunnel/
Ain't nuclear power stations great ? Clean and cheap.
Haw, haw....................................haw.
T. A. Gardner
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Really? Then he should know that plutonium is not a biproduct of BWR or PWR reactors in any usable quantity while long-lived isotopes from fission are of no particular danger unless ingested and can easily and safely be stored in waste dumps like Yucca Mountain. It is only ignorance and the fear it breeds that keeps that from happening.