God is not intelligent, or, why I am a pantheist

Publius said:
Well, well, so you’ve declared yourself the supreme arbiter of knowledge, disinterested in anything 'less than Wikipedia' -- yet seemingly unable to offer a single source 'more' credible. You toss out the term 'troll' as if it’s some magic shield, deflecting any question that might challenge the fortress of your own knowledge. So let’s get this straight: you dismissed Wikipedia, dismissed reasoned rebuttals, and now you’re dismissing questions that expose the lack of substance in your own argument.

How convenient.

But let’s be clear: it’s not trolling to question the hollow bravado of your 'Wikipedia-is-always-wrong' routine. It’s called calling out empty rhetoric for exactly what it is: an attempt to sidestep discussion. So, here’s the simple question again -- since you’re so intent on proving you’re beyond the basics: what credible source, or indeed any source, do you have that is so magnificently 'above' Wikipedia? Or is dismissing others' sources all you actually bring to the table?
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Last time: Talk about wiki all you want. I don't read those posts
 
Scott said:
He may well have not understood your meaning, but that doesn't make him a troll. I think the gist of what he was trying to say is that you've certainly criticized Wikipedia a fair amount, but you don't seem to provide much if any source material for your own beliefs.
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Hume said:
Seems like a horrible idea.
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It's pretty standard Christianity. In fact it's one of the cool things about Christianity. It keeps people "Humble". If we all remind ourselves that we are flawed imperfect beings liable to possibly hurting each other intentionally or unintentionally, maybe it will help us moderate our activities and even be more forbearant of others bad behavior toward us.

It's kinda like the Christian concept of Grace. Grace says God grants people salvation even if they don't "deserve" it. But we don't have to have a supernatural form of that. We can ALL show grace toward each other. We can give people the grace of forgiveness when they wrong us because at some point we will need forgiveness when we wrong others.

It's a good idea, IMHO, to always be mindful of the beams in our own eyes. Such that we don't obsess on the moats in someone else's.
 
Hume said:
Rest of the post is detail of a bad idea.
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Doesn't feel like a legitimate critique of my points. But I suppose live and let live. Not all people are as hung up on self-examination as people like me. I'm one of those people who fears I'm going to hurt someone else and so tries to be mindful of it.

That's really all I was saying. Not everyone agrees that that is a good philosophy of life.
 
Daylight63 said:
Doesn't feel like a legitimate critique of my points. But I suppose live and let live. Not all people are as hung up on self-examination as people like me. I'm one of those people who fears I'm going to hurt someone else and so tries to be mindful of it.

That's really all I was saying. Not everyone agrees that that is a good philosophy of life.
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Last time, I am saying it is very bad idea.
 
Hume said:
Last time, I am saying it is very bad idea.
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Oh totally understand. You are not alone. There are many who find that aspect of Christianity (even if one takes it OUT of the Christian frame) to be unpleasant.

I think it's actually cool (and I don't necessarily consider myself a Christian anymore!)
 
Daylight63 said:
Oh totally understand. You are not alone. There are many who find that aspect of Christianity (even if one takes it OUT of the Christian frame) to be unpleasant.

I think it's actually cool (and I don't necessarily consider myself a Christian anymore!)
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Conceiving humans as evil is a shit philosophy.
 
Hume said:
Conceiving humans as evil is a shit philosophy.
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Got you there. I, too, am NO FAN of "original sin". It's corrosive and stupid. But one doesn't need someone else to have committed some sin for US to commit our own fresh sins. We are a mix of good and evil intentions.

Sometimes our better natures give way to our worse inclinations.

This is what humans are like.

Best thing, IMHO, is to work doubly hard to be kind to each other. Sometimes that means finding fault in our own actions. It's a matter of "personal responsibility"
 
Daylight63 said:
Got you there. I, too, am NO FAN of "original sin". It's corrosive and stupid. But one doesn't need someone else to have committed some sin for US to commit our own fresh sins. We are a mix of good and evil intentions.

Sometimes our better natures give way to our worse inclinations.

This is what humans are like.

Best thing, IMHO, is to work doubly hard to be kind to each other. Sometimes that means finding fault in our own actions. It's a matter of "personal responsibility"
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Okay. I have no interest in Christian ethics.
 
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