God's Work

This is hearsay dunce. You're not very bright for someone who claims they have a law degree. How do you think this second hand hearsay would be received in a court of law Counselor?


Did I claim it was not hearsay? Did I claim it would be admissible in Court? BTW, there are plenty of times hearsay is admissible in court.
 
I'm not really sure why the conversation on Bush's alleged quote is continuing.

Based on everything presented, there is no way it ends with, "Yeah, you're right - Bush definitely said that." At least not seriously.
 
I don't know why, bush was known for making that kind of comment. He also believed God wanted him to run for president.

"Bush said to James Robison: 'I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it.' "

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/02/usa.religion

Please stop with the moronic bullshit you uninformed dishonest dunce.

Among Mansfield's revelations is his insistence that Bush and Tony Blair have prayed together at a private meeting at Camp David. Blair has previously denied this.

Mansfield, however, says that, while there were no witnesses, aides were left in little doubt as to what had happened. He told The Observer: 'There is no question they have shared scripture and prayed together.'

The author also proves anecdotes about Bush that had previously been dismissed as false.
 
Ur a Bush apologist. :rolleyes:

No sir! He's a maverick. You betcha!

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Whats your point ?....It must be viewed in the context it was used in....

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." and Article VI specifies that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

The modern concept of a wholly secular government is sometimes credited to the writings of English philosopher John Locke, but the phrase "separation of church and state" in this context is generally traced to a January 1, 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson.


The modern concept of a wholly secular government, and the extremes that idea has been taken to, have nothing to do with Jefferson and is a mis-characterization of the
intent of the First Amendment....it is simply nothing more than a limitation put on gov. power when it comes the free exercise of religion.

My point is that he said a person was a dunce if they used the term "Separation of Church and State" to describe the establishment clause. Which is exactly what Jefferson did.
 
But how do you know it didn't come from bush's mouth? I'm not trying to be snarky. The Pals in the meeting all say he made the comment. Do you think they made it up to cast him in a bad light?

How do you know that it did? You're too stupid to comprehend the hypocrisy and irony of your own arguments.
 
Yes, the two who were at the meeting.

This meeting was completely off the radar in June 2003 when there was still a lot of fervor for the Iraq invasion. Two years later, not so much. That's when bush's spokesman came out and denied the comments. Yet not a peep out of the WH in the 2+ years from when bush actually made the comments, not even when they were printed in Ha'aretz three weeks after the meeting. Doesn't that seem hinky to you?

1) Those are hardly two independent sources as Garud claimed. They were part of the same delegation.
2) As I said, I would not put it past Bush, however, to proclaim that he DID say it based on hearsay is nothing short of ridiculous.
 
The meeting we're talking about was in June (4-5) 2003 and the comments were reported in Ha'aretz on June 27 2003. The Iraq invasion was ongoing. Supposedly at the meeting bush was explaining his reasons for A'stan and Iraq.

Also, I'm going by this article which gives several translations of the comments but they all have the same fundamental meaning.

"After all, this is Abu Mazen's account in Arabic of what Bush said in English, written down . . .in Arabic, then back into English."

Who knows better what George W. Bush said? George W. Bush or Mahmoud Abbas?

The bottom line is, why would the Pals lie?

LMAO
 
Are you calling Thomas Jefferson a dunce? He is the one who first conflated the establishment clause with the term "separation of church and state".

Why do I care what Thomas Jefferson said; I am referring to the Constitution. Can you show me this proverbial "separation claus" counselor? All I see and READ is an "ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE."

Are you claiming the two mean the same thing? Because that would be incredibly stupid.
 
I don't know if any Americans were there or not, but I haven't seen or heard any American who was there claiming Bush did not make the statement.

You really are incredibly stupid making such arguments. You're not a lawyer, you're a dunce who fancies himself as someone of intellect but instead spends an inordinate amount of time here proving you're an uninformed dimwit.
 
1) Those are hardly two independent sources as Garud claimed. They were part of the same delegation.
2) As I said, I would not put it past Bush, however, to proclaim that he DID say it based on hearsay is nothing short of ridiculous.

For me it all boils down to what's the point? The comments didn't even hit our consciousness until two years afterward, then the WH went into overdrive to deny them.

What did the Pal leaders have to gain by relating the comments or as you might say, making them up?
 
Yes, the two who were at the meeting.

This meeting was completely off the radar in June 2003 when there was still a lot of fervor for the Iraq invasion. Two years later, not so much. That's when bush's spokesman came out and denied the comments. Yet not a peep out of the WH in the 2+ years from when bush actually made the comments, not even when they were printed in Ha'aretz three weeks after the meeting. Doesn't that seem hinky to you?

If the claim wasn't questioned until 2 years later, why would Bush talk about it...its denied...

"as Shaath put it, there was "an angel hovering over his head talking to him."....can you seriously attribute Bush saying this ?....

Seems to be a lot lost in the translation here....or a lot added to the translation.
 
Why do I care what Thomas Jefferson said; I am referring to the Constitution. Can you show me this proverbial "separation claus" counselor? All I see and READ is an "ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE."

Are you claiming the two mean the same thing? Because that would be incredibly stupid.

I am claiming they refer to the same thing.
 
I suggest you read, "The Faith of George W. Bush", was written by Christian author Stephen Mansfield.

Bush was one of the most religious Presidents we have had, and after reading this book, I do not doubt that Bush made the statement to the Palestinians.

In other words what this dunce is trying to say above is; because I am a gullible leftist dunce who wants to stoke the irrational hatred I have for Bush and religion, I am willing to believe anything anyone says that places Bush in a bad light...because she really is THAT stupid.
 
I'm simply saying that the Constitution declared that the legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.
 
Did I claim it was not hearsay? Did I claim it would be admissible in Court? BTW, there are plenty of times hearsay is admissible in court.

You're quoting it as if it were fact. But it isn't fact, it is hearsay and if you think that hearsay is admissible if the attorney presenting the evidence does not present the evidence in a way that is prejudicial.

In this debate, it is being used as evidence to support the stupid claims of Liberals who are obviously prejudiced. It is inadmissible Counselor, therefore, you're an idiot.
 
If the claim wasn't questioned until 2 years later, why would Bush talk about it...its denied...

"as Shaath put it, there was "an angel hovering over his head talking to him."....can you seriously attribute Bush saying this ?....

Seems to be a lot lost in the translation here....or a lot added to the translation.

The WH denied it because a BBC documentary was coming out and it wasn't flattering to bush.

"The claims are due to be broadcast in a three-part BBC documentary which analyses attempts to bring peace to the Middle East. Mr Shaath, the Palestinian foreign minister in 2003, claims Mr Bush told him and other delegates that he was spoken to by God over his plans for war.

He told the film-makers: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan. And I did, and then God would tell me, George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq... And I did.

"'And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East. And by God I'm gonna do it.'"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/usa.jamessturcke
 
I'm not really sure why the conversation on Bush's alleged quote is continuing.

Based on everything presented, there is no way it ends with, "Yeah, you're right - Bush definitely said that." At least not seriously.

Because when dishonest Liberal dunces have been caught in a lie, they engage in the never ending circle of stupidity hoping that their obfuscations will confuse the debate dragging it off topic.
 
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