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YOur efforts to stop discussion by pretending you don't know what ubi is indicates you know you're on the wrong side of this.

 

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Communism has NO place. Automation is not outsourcing. Automation creates large industries that employ a lot of people.

I've heard of it now, since you finally defined it. It is communism. It has NO place anywhere. It is socialism. It is theft of wealth.

what is completely corrupt capitalism? it's fascism.

fascism has no place anywhere, supply side cretin.

 

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corporatism is collectivism.

 

[Into the Night]

Outlaw lobbying

So you are lobbying for this, are you?

and prosecute bribery, problem solved!

Lobbying isn't bribery. Bribery is already outlawed (though rarely enforced).

It will take a Convention of the states, though. We're halfway there.

No need. The Constitution already outlaws bribery. See Article I, $9. This, by the way, is where Biden also violated the Constitution.

It's being worked on...something will be done to that effect should it convene.

Do do...what?

Term limits and outlaw lobbying AKA legal bribery.

There are already term limits for several officers, including members of Congress, the President, and the Vice President.

Congress will never vote for those things. They only voted those things for themselves in the Carter/Reagan days.

Congress can't change the Constitution.

Before that, people had a better chance of representation in Congress.

That was before election fraud became as big a problem as it is.

I recently found letters written to Senators and Reps by relatives, and the politicians actually responded positively and personally and everything.

Some still do. Democrats, however, never cared about their constituents.

Seriously, Senators are supposed to represent their state over corporations,

Not since the 27th amendment. Senators are now elected by popular vote in each State. They no longer represent the States. None of them represent my corporation.

and Reps are supposed to represent their constituents over corporations,

None of them represent my corporation either.

and it's not happening like that.

Not since election fraud became a real problem. Look to the Democrats for that.

Rick Scott got up in there and looked around and said: "This thing is broken". And he is exactly right with that.

States and state legislatures are motivated to make a convention happen.

To do...what?

 

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So you are lobbying for this, are you?

Lobbying isn't bribery. Bribery is already outlawed (though rarely enforced).

No need. The Constitution already outlaws bribery. See Article I, $9. This, by the way, is where Biden also violated the Constitution.

Do do...what?

There are already term limits for several officers, including members of Congress, the President, and the Vice President.

Congress can't change the Constitution.

That was before election fraud became as big a problem as it is.

Some still do. Democrats, however, never cared about their constituents.

Not since the 27th amendment. Senators are now elected by popular vote in each State. They no longer represent the States. None of them represent my corporation.

None of them represent my corporation either.

Not since election fraud became a real problem. Look to the Democrats for that.

To do...what?

so you really are pro fascism and pro corruption and crony capitalism.

corporations arent people.

you're a committed fascist.

your company isnt the only company. cherry picking fallacy.

 

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acting like our shit is all on the up and up isnt working anymore.

Try English. Random words get you nowhere.

we can't bleat about free markets and the positives and then have blackrock own everything and screw everyone over.

Blackrock does not own everything. Not even close to it. Neither does Vanguard. This particular bit of paranoia is apparently why you figure 'corporations are all evil'. This bit of paranoia is classic Democrat propaganda.

Most corporations are small, usually less than 200 employees. Incorporating is not evil in and of itself.

this is fascism.

No. Blackrock is not fascism. Neither is Bill Gates. Neither is any corporation, not even DuPont, which illegally lobbied the government to commit fascism. Only governments can commit fascism. Fascism is government manipulation of markets. This is what DuPont lobbied for in the case of R-12->R134a refrigerant. It is a monopoly propped up by GOVERNMENT. It is the only way a monopoly can continue to exist.

I am not Blackrock. I am not Bill Gates. I am not DuPont. I am my own business, which is incorporated, that has a current staff of about 100 employees. Our product is instrumentation for process control for industrial, medical, entertainment, and aerospace industries. My products sell worldwide. People buy them because I save them costs by making their manufacturing of their own product more efficient, or because it helps them clean up the environment.

But you are moron enough to call me a 'fascist'. You don't even know what the term means.

institute protectionism or pay up.

Paranoia. I don't pay Vanguard or Blackrock anything.

 

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central planning is still tyranny, even if it's privatized. you fucking libertarians.

So your central plan is to cancel central planning. Gotit.

 

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sorry im a little hot right now, friends.

It's winter. Go outside and cool off.

 

[Into the Night]

What is "state capture"?

Good question. Another one of his meaningless buzzwords.

 

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Try English. Random words get you nowhere.

Blackrock does not own everything. Not even close to it. Neither does Vanguard. This particular bit of paranoia is apparently why you figure 'corporations are all evil'. This bit of paranoia is classic Democrat propaganda.

Most corporations are small, usually less than 200 employees. Incorporating is not evil in and of itself.

No. Blackrock is not fascism. Neither is Bill Gates. Neither is any corporation, not even DuPont, which illegally lobbied the government to commit fascism. Only governments can commit fascism. Fascism is government manipulation of markets. This is what DuPont lobbied for in the case of R-12->R134a refrigerant. It is a monopoly propped up by GOVERNMENT. It is the only way a monopoly can continue to exist.

I am not Blackrock. I am not Bill Gates. I am not DuPont. I am my own business, which is incorporated, that has a current staff of about 100 employees. Our product is instrumentation for process control for industrial, medical, entertainment, and aerospace industries. My products sell worldwide. People buy them because I save them costs by making their manufacturing of their own product more efficient, or because it helps them clean up the environment.

But you are moron enough to call me a 'fascist'. You don't even know what the term means.



Paranoia. I don't pay Vanguard or Blackrock anything.

your idiotic dissembly proves you KNOW you've lost the argument.

 

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Good question. Another one of his meaningless buzzwords.

State capture is a type of systemic political corruption in which private interests significantly influence a state's decision-making processes to their own advantage.

The term was first used by the World Bank, around the year 2000, to describe the situation in certain central Asian countries making the transition from Soviet communism. Specifically, it was applied to situations where small corrupt groups used their influence over government officials to appropriate government decision-making in order to strengthen their own economic positions; these groups' members would later become known as oligarchs.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capture

there ya go, fucko.

 

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try looking things up on your own. You won't be as humiliated on a regular basis.

 

[Into the Night]

and institute tariffs.

and while none of these reforms happen do we just pretend we dont have total corruption, tyranny and fascism?

We do have fascism in the States. We always have. We also have communism, and we also have capitalism. That third form of socialism, slavery, also still exists in the States (illegal as it is).

Fascism, communism, and slavery are ALL forms of socialism. They are all theft of wealth. They can only be implemented by oligarchies or dictatorships. People don't want their wealth stolen.

Yes...that means a slave master is a dictator.
Yes...that means taking wealth from one and distributing it to another by government force is theft of wealth (and communism).
Yes...that means government telling corporations or any other business what they can sell, who they can sell it to, who they must hire, who they must fire, how much they can sell their product or service for, is all fascism.

There is tyranny in government. Thank the Democrats for that! It is Democrats that overthrew the United States, discarded the Constitution of the United States, and have implemented an oligarchy.
It is Democrats that destroyed the government of the former State of California and replaced it with an oligarchy (currently moving toward a dictatorship). I call it the SOTC now. It is no longer a State of the Union.
It is Democrats that destroyed the government of the former State of New York and replaced it with an oligarchy. I call it the SOTNY now. It is no longer a State of the Union.
It looks like Oregon may be next. The revolt against it is already started.

This is Democrats doing this. It is government. It is not corporations, which can really only survive by selling products or services that people want to buy.

A monopoly may remain a monopoly for a time, but it won't last. Sooner or later, it will fall to some little company that comes along to shoot their kneecaps off. Even if the monopoly is propped up by government.

It happened to IBM when the minicomputer, and then the microcomputer came along. Little is left of IBM now. They've been driven almost entirely out of the computing market.
It happened to Microsoft when Linux came along. Microsoft has already lost the OS market, the Office market, the web developer market, the industrial control market, the automotive market, and the cell phone market.

Most software development happens on Linux these days...an open source kernel and various libraries and command packages. Some are written and maintained by corporations, such as Mozilla or Google.

If you don't like Google for one reason or another, don't buy their product. No one is forcing you to.

 

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your idiotic dissembly proves you KNOW you've lost the argument.

Mantras 1a...23...22...39m...

Trolling. No argument presented.

 

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its when your politicians and government are basically completely controlled by corporate interests. fascism basically.

Not the definition of fascism. Fascism is quite the opposite. It is government manipulation of markets.
What you are describing is bribery, already illegal.

Reversal fallacy.

 

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State capture is when a private entity gains control over government decision making. As an example: if GM forces the DOT to only allow GM cars to drive on highways. It is a form of corruption.

GM cannot force any such thing.

 

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We do have fascism in the States. We always have. We also have communism, and we also have capitalism. That third form of socialism, slavery, also still exists in the States (illegal as it is).

Fascism, communism, and slavery are ALL forms of socialism. They are all theft of wealth. They can only be implemented by oligarchies or dictatorships. People don't want their wealth stolen.

Yes...that means a slave master is a dictator.
Yes...that means taking wealth from one and distributing it to another by government force is theft of wealth (and communism).
Yes...that means government telling corporations or any other business what they can sell, who they can sell it to, who they must hire, who they must fire, how much they can sell their product or service for, is all fascism.

There is tyranny in government. Thank the Democrats for that! It is Democrats that overthrew the United States, discarded the Constitution of the United States, and have implemented an oligarchy.
It is Democrats that destroyed the government of the former State of California and replaced it with an oligarchy (currently moving toward a dictatorship). I call it the SOTC now. It is no longer a State of the Union.
It is Democrats that destroyed the government of the former State of New York and replaced it with an oligarchy. I call it the SOTNY now. It is no longer a State of the Union.
It looks like Oregon may be next. The revolt against it is already started.

This is Democrats doing this. It is government. It is not corporations, which can really only survive by selling products or services that people want to buy.

A monopoly may remain a monopoly for a time, but it won't last. Sooner or later, it will fall to some little company that comes along to shoot their kneecaps off. Even if the monopoly is propped up by government.

It happened to IBM when the minicomputer, and then the microcomputer came along. Little is left of IBM now. They've been driven almost entirely out of the computing market.
It happened to Microsoft when Linux came along. Microsoft has already lost the OS market, the Office market, the web developer market, the industrial control market, the automotive market, and the cell phone market.

Most software development happens on Linux these days...an open source kernel and various libraries and command packages. Some are written and maintained by corporations, such as Mozilla or Google.

If you don't like Google for one reason or another, don't buy their product. No one is forcing you to.

right.

free markets are a delusion fascists tell dumb people.

basically you believe in corporatism and fascism.

You don't believe in government busting of monopolies, so you don't really believe in all the loudly touted benefits for regular people, under "free markets" which you admit don't exist.

You're just a fascist liar.

if corporations were people they'd be the shittiest people you know.

Im not a democrat. They're actually on the same page as you now.

corporations are half of the fascist equation, dickshitter, corruption works quite nicely for them.

 

[DarinRobbins]

I think there is a misperception by many in the Democratic Party that the Greens are just disgruntled Democrats that need to eventually come back to the fold. My experience as a member of the Green Party since 2000, as a Green candidate for local office, and as a member of the State Committee and co-chair of the Campaign Committee here in New York is that we are much more different than we are alike. Going beyond the fact that Green candidates never accept corporate money, our platforms are very different. Some examples are cooperatives, basic income, ranked choice voting, state banks, popular assemblies, and anti-war. A few years ago, the Green Party became an official ecosocialist party. It is true we probably have more in common with the Democratic Socialists Of America and the Movement For A People's Party than the established Democratic Party. That is why we are doing this outreach that includes them. In other words, our experience on the ground has been that the Democratic Party will not move left one inch until they feel competition from the outside. Their party leaders are very adept at containing their more progressive rank and file members.

 

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lobbying,

Nothing illegal about lobbying.

unlimited political donation,

Illegal.

corruption,

illegal.

cartels,

Self destructive. No worries about them.

monopolies,

Self destructive. No worries about them.

fascism,

Buzzword fallacy. You still don't know that this word means.

planned obsolescence.....

Did you know that if any company puts out a shitty product, people will leave it for a company that puts out a better product?
Planned obsolescence is a self destructive habit.

i told you this once already.

No, you strung together a bunch of meaningless buzzwords. You STILL have no idea how markets work, or how the free market is immortal. You can't kill it.

address it, fascist.

I am not a socialist.

 

[Into the Night]

corporations do lobby congress tho, dum dum.

So? Nothing illegal about that!

this isnt all about you.

Yet YOU made it all about me. Are you going to cancel your own argument now???

I am a populist.

Means nothing to me. I consider this another of your meaningless buzzwords until you define it.