Guns, guns, guns, guns

[T. A. Gardner]

Serious question: if, as many gun advocates claim, the government does start a massive over-reach requiring the good citizens to take up arms against the evil government, how long do you think American freedom fighters would last armed with their allowed arms (ie no automatics or almost none. Having mostly hunting rifles and handguns) vs the US Military?

You may look at things like Afghanistan where a plucky group of religious zealots sacrificed themselves for decades living in the most horrific conditions in caves in the mountains, but how long do you think AMERICAN Mujahedeen would last?

We had a small staging in January 6th when many American "patriots" decided to try to overthrow the results of an election but they could only last about 6 hours before disbanding and going home to their shows and back to their jobs.

I honestly don't hold out much hope for the 2A advocates in America to save me from the horrors of the evil empire. Maybe I'm wrong, but I have yet to see any hard data suggesting it will go anywhere but utter failure.

Answer, probably quite a while, years at least, more likely decades. And, that assumes the US military and other government law enforcement don't mutiny and join the revolutionaries... All the while, the government would have to become increasingly draconian across the board to keep the revolution from succeeding.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Answer, probably quite a while, years at least, more likely decades. And, that assumes the US military and other government law enforcement don't mutiny and join the revolutionaries... All the while, the government would have to become increasingly draconian across the board to keep the revolution from succeeding.

Years to decades. And you honestly think that Americans TODAY could stomach that? Like I said Jan 6 was all hands on deck for the American "patriots" and they could only last a few hours and were successful in killing only one policeman (and even then they had to wait for the fire extinguisher beating to off him in the hospital later on) and they took a casualty on their side. Then it was back to the farm and back to their jobs.

MAYBE if we were talking our parent's generation (WWII era) you might have a case. THOSE folks could deal with hardship and sacrifice. I'm not so sure today's Gravy Seals are up to the task.

 

[Nordberg]

Did the crazy rightys think about what would happen if they succeeded? What a mess we would have had. No government, a loose band of insurgents would have to deal with the government. The senators, representatives, and the loyal Americans would have to be eliminated. It would be complete chaos. Then what system would there be?

 

[Into the Night]

Why? That makes no sense. There was a second mass shooting in California. That is 38 in 23 days this year. There are no nations but America that have to tolerate that. It is wrong.

In a place that heavily restricts guns.

You're an idiot.

 

[Into the Night]

CA. has some of the strictest firearms laws in the country. Passing more laws where this shit is not an issue (rural) is not solving the problem.
We took our guns to school and didn't shoot other kids. WTF is wrong with people today?

Passing such laws in the cities won't do anything except increase crime and such shootings either. Gun free zones don't work.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Passing such laws in the cities won't do anything except increase crime and such shootings either. Gun free zones don't work.

Gun availability to criminals is, in part, a function of overall gun ownership. It is a statistical topic. The more guns in "legal" hands the higher the probability that a gun will be stolen or otherwise misappropriated for the use of criminals.

This may explain why America's extremely high gun ownership rates correlate so well with our off-the-charts levels of gun violence.

 

[Into the Night]

Serious question: if, as many gun advocates claim, the government does start a massive over-reach requiring the good citizens to take up arms against the evil government, how long do you think American freedom fighters would last armed with their allowed arms (ie no automatics or almost none. Having mostly hunting rifles and handguns) vs the US Military?

The freedom fighters will easily win. They far outnumber the military. RQAA.

We had a small staging in January 6th when many American "patriots" decided to try to overthrow the results of an election but they could only last about 6 hours before disbanding and going home to their shows and back to their jobs.

There was no election to overturn. The election faulted due to election fraud by Democrats.

I honestly don't hold out much hope for the 2A advocates in America to save me from the horrors of the evil empire. Maybe I'm wrong, but I have yet to see any hard data suggesting it will go anywhere but utter failure.

Discard of history.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

The freedom fighters will win.

Based on what?

There was no election to overturn. The election faulted due to election fraud by Democrats.

And yet the freedom fighters on Jan 6th were unable to even get to any legislator and they failed. They only put in a few hours which indicates that future "patriots" will be similar.

Discard of history.

Apart from the Revolution can you show me a case where Americans have taken on the government in an armed insurrection that resulted in an overthrow of the government? I can't think of one, but I might be forgetting one. Thanks!

 

[Into the Night]

Years to decades. And you honestly think that Americans TODAY could stomach that? Like I said Jan 6 was all hands on deck for the American "patriots" and they could only last a few hours and were successful in killing only one policeman (and even then they had to wait for the fire extinguisher beating to off him in the hospital later on) and they took a casualty on their side. Then it was back to the farm and back to their jobs.

MAYBE if we were talking our parent's generation (WWII era) you might have a case. THOSE folks could deal with hardship and sacrifice. I'm not so sure today's Gravy Seals are up to the task.

Jan 6 violence was instigated by the Left, moron. They were not freedom fighters.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Jan 6 violence was instigated by the Left, moron. They were not freedom fighters.

No it wasn't. It was Trump supporters.

 

[Into the Night]

Gun availability to criminals is, in part, a function of overall gun ownership.

No, it isn't.

It is a statistical topic.

You deny and discard statistical and probability math. Failure to declare boundary. Failure to declare and justify variance. Failure to calculate average or margin of error. Failure to provide raw unbiased data. Bigotry.

This may explain why America's extremely high gun ownership rates correlate so well with our off-the-charts levels of gun violence.

What chart?????!? Buzzword fallacy. Cliche fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Based on what?

Numbers. History. RQAA.

And yet the freedom fighters on Jan 6th were unable to even get to any legislator and they failed. They only put in a few hours which indicates that future "patriots" will be similar.

They weren't freedom fighters.

Apart from the Revolution can you show me a case where Americans have taken on the government in an armed insurrection that resulted in an overthrow of the government? I can't think of one, but I might be forgetting one. Thanks!

Special pleading fallacy. Attempted proof by ignorance.

 

[Into the Night]

No it wasn't. It was Trump supporters.

Lie. Trump did not order or support attacking the Capitol building. The Left did.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

No, it isn't.

You cannot say that.

You deny and discard statistical and probability math.

I work with statistics every day. I know it far better than you.

Failure to declare boundary.

That doesn't mean anything. You don't know what you are talking about.

Failure to declare and justify variance.

Just more bullshit from you. Those things are not necessary to my point. And that's not even really anything people do. No one "justifies variance" before looking at data. The data yields the variance it has.

Failure to calculate average or margin of error. Failure to provide raw unbiased data.

Not necessary for my point. Besides, you don't know what ANY of those things entail.

Bigotry.

Now you are just making shit up.

What chart?????!? Buzzword fallacy. Cliche fallacy.

You don't seem to know much about the topic. Or how language is used.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Numbers. History. RQAA.

Nope. You never have. Not once. Not ever. If I am wrong you will show me where I am wrong. Since you won't we will both agree you have never done so.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Lie. Trump did not order or support attacking the Capitol building. The Left did.

No one believes Qanon nuts.

 

[Lionfish]

Serious question: if, as many gun advocates claim, the government does start a massive over-reach requiring the good citizens to take up arms against the evil government, how long do you think American freedom fighters would last armed with their allowed arms (ie no automatics or almost none. Having mostly hunting rifles and handguns) vs the US Military?

You may look at things like Afghanistan where a plucky group of religious zealots sacrificed themselves for decades living in the most horrific conditions in caves in the mountains, but how long do you think AMERICAN Mujahedeen would last?

We had a small staging in January 6th when many American "patriots" decided to try to overthrow the results of an election but they could only last about 6 hours before disbanding and going home to their shows and back to their jobs.

I honestly don't hold out much hope for the 2A advocates in America to save me from the horrors of the evil empire. Maybe I'm wrong, but I have yet to see any hard data suggesting it will go anywhere but utter failure.

Err, Karen, ever hearrd of Viet Mam or Afghanistan?

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Err, Karen, ever hearrd of Viet Mam or Afghanistan?

Did you not read my direct point about Afghanistan? And Viet Nam? I honestly don't see America's "patriots" being willing to live in the jungle for more than a week or two, let alone live in tunnels.

Like I said: if these guys fancy themselves to be Mujahedeen or VC they better start working out. January 6th showed they only have about 6 hours of "fight" in 'em.

 

[Lionfish]

Immediately After Moving To Texas, Elon Musk Announces Tesla AR-15

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Years to decades. And you honestly think that Americans TODAY could stomach that? Like I said Jan 6 was all hands on deck for the American "patriots" and they could only last a few hours and were successful in killing only one policeman (and even then they had to wait for the fire extinguisher beating to off him in the hospital later on) and they took a casualty on their side. Then it was back to the farm and back to their jobs.

MAYBE if we were talking our parent's generation (WWII era) you might have a case. THOSE folks could deal with hardship and sacrifice. I'm not so sure today's Gravy Seals are up to the task.

Jan 6 was a minor three-hour riot, nothing more. Only alarmist crazies on the radical Left think otherwise.