Guns

cawacko said:
I'm not a gun person but I would think it's never been easier than today to get a gun (as with most things) due to the internet. Yet the murder rate was highest in this country I believe from the '70's to early '90's. If guns are strictly the problem how does the murder rate drop when access to guns increases?
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Indeed. The numbers of guns has increased a LOT recently. Murder rates when DOWN during the same period.
 
domer76 said:
The statistics, dumbfuck, is that there were almost 40,000 gun deaths last year. Argue that, stupid fuck.
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Source? I think you are making up numbers.

This number claimed is actually pretty small, considering the number of people in the United States (about 0.01% of the population). How many were accidents? How many were the result of armed robbery or other criminal use of a gun? How many were suicides? You DO realize, don't you, that two of these are unaffected by whether guns are present or not? Accidents happen, not just with guns. Suicides happen, not just with guns.
 
rjhenn said:
Again, and again, over half are suicides. Most of the rest occur in shithole inner-cities, with lots of gang violence. None of your stupid "common sense" gun laws are going to affect either one of those. You're obsessed with guns and refuse to look for solutions other than gun control.

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Filter, filter, filter, bitch
 
rjhenn said:
Again, and again, over half are suicides. Most of the rest occur in shithole inner-cities, with lots of gang violence. None of your stupid "common sense" gun laws are going to affect either one of those. You're obsessed with guns and refuse to look for solutions other than gun control.

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Domer wants to use suicides and justifiable homicides as a basis for his ranting.

Justifiable homicide

A killing without evil or criminal intent, for which there can be no blame, such as self-defense to protect oneself or to protect another, or the shooting by a law enforcement officer in fulfilling his/her duties. This is not to be confused with a crime of passion or claim of diminished capacity which refer to defenses aimed at reducing the penalty or degree of crime.
 
rjhenn said:
It's no more difficult than it was in the '90s, when our homicide rate was at its highest.

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Much more difficult than it was in the 70's, and even more difficult than it was in the 50's.
 
RB 60 said:
Much more difficult than it was in the 70's, and even more difficult than it was in the 50's.
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And none of that increased difficulty has delivered on its promise of increased safety. In fact, just the opposite.

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rjhenn said:
And none of that increased difficulty has delivered on its promise of increased safety. In fact, just the opposite.

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I would agree. Gun violence wasn't as frequent when guns were more easily obtainable.
 
RB 60 said:
I would agree. Gun violence wasn't as frequent when guns were more easily obtainable.
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I'm not sure gun violence and mass shootings have increased or decreased all that much. What makes it seem so much more is the internet has brought almost instant world wide news. In the days before the net news was more localized. Oh you had the network news but they only reported the really big stories.
 
Grugore said:
Brit: as a Brit I find the notion of ever having the need to own a gun abhorrent.
Me: as an American I haven't had to care what a Brit thinks since 1776, when we used our guns to kick you out of our country.
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There are no 'Brits'. Sensible people avoid guns, because they kill people. If there was any point in the silly bloody things we'd have all attended President Trumps's funeral long since.
George 111 was a far preferable fat German!
 
rjhenn said:
First of all, gun deaths fall into multiple categories. Suicide is one of those categories. You might note some inconvenient facts, such as that Japan, with virtually no guns in civilian hands, until recently had a suicide rate that exceeded our combined homicide and suicide rates. And that Canada, despite their strict gun laws, has provinces that regularly have homicide rates that would be considered quite high in the U.S.. Despite your obsessive and simplistic approach to the problem, it's unlikely that a single solution exists for all of those categories.

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Regarding suicides, take a read of this article from Germany:

3 Germans in crossbow deaths killed by shots to hearts, neck

Autopsies showed three people found dead at a German hotel with crossbow bolts lodged in their bodies died from those wounds, but police said Tuesday there was no sign of a struggle or the involvement of others.

Investigators said a 53-year-old man and a 33-year-old woman found holding hands in a hotel bed in Passau, near the Austrian border, on Saturday each died from one bolt to the heart. A 30-year-old woman found on the floor died from a shot to the neck.

Police said they found wills for the man and the woman in the bed. They gave no details of what was in the documents, saying the contents and the woman's white pickup truck are part of the ongoing investigation. Authorities also are awaiting test results that would show whether the three had consumed alcohol or drugs.

The evidence suggests the younger woman first shot the other two and then herself and the deaths appeared to be a case of "killing on demand" or suicide, German news agency dpa quoted prosecutors as saying.

There are still no signs that anyone else was involved in the slayings.

The bodies of two more women were found Monday at the apartment of the 30-year-old woman who died in Passau, several hundred kilometers (miles) away in Wittingen in northern Germany. Initial examinations indicated the women, ages 35 and 19, did not die as a result of external injuries, authorities said.

The 35-year-old was the partner of the younger woman found Saturday on the hotel room floor in Passau.

Christina Pannek, a spokeswoman for prosecutors in Hildesheim, said it appeared the women had been dead for several days and the causes haven't been established yet, dpa reported.

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Anyone who actually believes that removing guns is going to stop someone from committing suicide, is an idiot; because where there's a will, there will be a way.

Top 10 Common Methods of Suicide (I removed the long and lengthy explanations)

10. Drowning
9. Electric Shock
8. Exsanguination
7. Jumping
6. Suffocation
5. Carbon Monoxide Inhalation
4. Poisoning
3. Hanging
2. Drug / Alcohol Overdose
1. Gun Shot
 
iolo said:
There are no 'Brits'. Sensible people avoid guns, because they kill people. If there was any point in the silly bloody things we'd have all attended President Trumps's funeral long since.
George 111 was a far preferable fat German!
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Paranoid and ignorant people avoid guns, because they believe that guns will jump up on their own and kill people. What they need to avoid is people who will kill people. Guns aren't necessary to kill people.

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Grumpy said:
I'm not sure gun violence and mass shootings have increased or decreased all that much. What makes it seem so much more is the internet has brought almost instant world wide news. In the days before the net news was more localized. Oh you had the network news but they only reported the really big stories.
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The homicide rate has certainly decreased from its peak in the early '90s. It hasn't been this low since the '50s. Yet the control freaks keep screaming about an "epidemic" of gun violence. Purest emotion, based on their paranoia about guns, not reality.

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rjhenn said:
The homicide rate has certainly decreased from its peak in the early '90s. It hasn't been this low since the '50s. Yet the control freaks keep screaming about an "epidemic" of gun violence. Purest emotion, based on their paranoia about guns, not reality.

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I know we don't agree politically on some things, but I' haven't found one reason to disagree with anything you've posted about guns and gun owners; because guns are not the problem and evil people are.

Mass murders are going to find anything they can, if that is their goal, and more people have been killed at one time, by a fertilizer / diesel mix.

Now someone is going to try and post a rebuttal regarding tracking being done on people that purchase large amounts of fertilizer; but what's to stop someone from making multiple purchases from different stores, over a looooooooooooong period of time.

Because most High School student parking lots are not monitored and someone could park a small van in the parking lot, then just wait until school is dismissed and the students crowd the parking lot and detonate it from a remote viewing spot.

Or if he's just a Muslim terrorist, just sit in the van and go out with a bang.

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rjhenn said:
Paranoid and ignorant people avoid guns, because they believe that guns will jump up on their own and kill people. What they need to avoid is people who will kill people. Guns aren't necessary to kill people.

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Why does any society need to be saturated with guns?
 
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