Health Care Reform

[tekkychick]

I assume everyone knows about Stephen Hawking. What's there to look up?


the other case -I did a couple searches, didn't find it; like I said, read it about awhile ago.

 

[Big Money]

What's there to look up? the other case -I did a couple searches, didn't find it; like I said, read it about awhile ago.

Maybe your mommy can find it for you.

And pretty sure it was a case in England I read about - child was born; needed 24X7 care due to breathing/feeding issues (I can't remember details); all covered. I read about it because after a year the husband wanted to bring the child home and try to care for him/her; the wife wanted to leave the child in the hospital. Tough case. But - covered.

 

[Big Money]

I hope so.

I'll bet.

 

[Boris The Animal]

Boris I've told you a million times to stop exaggerating. That's complete and total nonsense. All a single payer system is, is a central standardized clearinghouse which provides a single standard of fiscal administration for the payment of health care fees. Currently over 25% of all the money spent on health care is wasted on administering the zillion and one administrative systems from jillion different insurance companies and HMO's. It's what ALL the industrialized nations in the world do including those great bastions of socialism like Japan, Switzerland, Germany and South Korea (irony intended).

I mean use your head, I know conservatives have this problem with math but this one is simple. We currently pay 18% of GDP on heath care. The most on any industrialized nation in the planet. 25% of that is wasted in redundant, inefficient and wasteful administration of health care fees. By just the single measure of implementing a single payer system alone we could cut health care cost in this nation from 18% of GDP to 13.5% of GDP. That's over $700 billion dollars annually in savings!

So spare me your "socialism" bogeyman.

And by taking the profit motive out you sacrifice R&D and innovation.

 

[zappasguitar]

And by taking the profit motive out you sacrifice R&D and innovation.

Nonsense.

There is always MONEY to be made through innovation.

 

[Boris The Animal]

Nonsense.

There is always MONEY to be made through innovation.

Not if big daddy government says NO.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Nonsense.

There is always MONEY to be made through innovation.

Really? Tell that to the folks that created Betamax and Divx.

 

[zappasguitar]

Really? Tell that to the folks that created Betamax and Divx.

Too bad...there will ALWAYS be winners and losers.

The inventors of the VCR and Netflix were both rewarded handsomely for their innovation.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Too bad...there will ALWAYS be winners and losers.

The inventors of the VCR and Netflix were both rewarded handsomely for their innovation.

Yes there will always e winners and losers. I prefer the free market aka individuals making decisions free of coercion. You like the government picking winners as losers.

My way is better.

BTW you used the word ALWAYS implying that innovation in and of itself leads to riches. It does not.

I will enjoy watching you twist in knots trying to claim that which you stated is not really what you stated and that you were taken out if context.

Let your whine fest begin

 

[The Dude]

he can thank all the young people subsidizing him.

as usual, the baby boomers continue to fuck the millennials. all you guys do is take take and take and fuck the rest of us over. worst generation ever.

I agree, but it's only a few billion junior!

 

[Damocles]

This forum could become something useful if everyone would ignore this hateful fucking pig who has nothing of value to say.

So, asking you for a cite for your claim is hateful?

 

[Rationalist]

An excellent article that debunks the rightwing of the GOP's attack on the ACA.

Whatever the GOP may thinks, even though a majority of Americans may oppose the ACA, a large majority of Americans support health care reform.

I'm one of those who would poll as being opposed to the ACA on the basis that it does not go far enough. To truly work it must also provide for a single payer system and implement cost controls.

The rightwing of the GOP is mistaken in thinking that 2014 will be a replay of the 2010 elections. The American public spoke clearly in the 2012 election in which Democratic house candidates received over a million more votes than Republican candidates. They are mistaking that from the echo chambers of their politically safe gerrymandered districts that they have broad support to repeal and/or defund the ACA. The fact is that the are divorced from reality and are courting electoral disaster.

I have already heard Democrat partisans and political operatives about current machinations in the house to defund the ACA with the threat of shutting down the Government. They're saying "Sure, go ahead...make my day!"

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/21/opinion/blow-kamikaze-congress.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=0

Single-payer may not be the best solution for the US. Just because it works well in many European countries doesn't mean it would work here. Granted, it would be an improvement over the pre-ACA system, but Switzerland has a system similar to what the ACA is setting out to accomplish, and it covers 99.5% of the population using a combination of private insurance, a mandate, and cost controls. It works well for them.

We are a wealthy country. I don't think it's a problem that we spend 15% of GDP on healthcare.