Heaven & Hell (Open to Everyone)

[Into the Night]

Jesus never claimed to be anyone’s savior. Nor did he ever claim to be the son of God.

You probably should read the first four books of the New Testament of the Bible. He did both.

 

[Into the Night]

Considering the Four Gospels were written 37 to 100 years after Jesus in time where writing was rare, I think there's a lot of room for error.

Writing was not rare.

 

[Into the Night]

He did claim, or insinuate in various passages of Luke, Mark, Matthew to either be the son of God or the son of man.

But in the Hebrew tradition Jesus was speaking in, Son of God could be a human being who had the favor of God. King David was a son of God.

Son on Man in the Hebrew tradition was generally also thought to be fully human, but acting with God's agency.

It's not until John that Jesus claimed to be coequal and coeternal with God. But John was written after the Synoptic gospels and separate from them, so the author of John was writing with a different perspective and/or agenda

No, he wasn't.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Agreed. There was also the lack of tech for maintaining accuracy. As you said, they focused upon the message. In later years, there was also a focus on standardizing the Church.

They didn’t need tech, God was guiding what they wrote.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Writing was not rare.

Mantra 46 Horse Assery

Mantra 1a.

Mantra 4a.

One of the "miscellaneous" documents on that site is Into the Night's mantra list.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

They didn’t need tech, God was guiding what they wrote.

Why was God half a century late?

 

[IBDaMann]

Son on Man in the Hebrew tradition was generally also thought to be fully human, but acting with God's agency.

You are describing a prophet. The "Son of Man" or the "Immanuel" is something entirely different.

 

[Into the Night]

Why was God half a century late?

He wasn't.

 

[Into Тhe Night]

Writing was not rare.

Most people in antiquity were illiterate. Even many copyists couldn't read the documents they copied.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

He wasn't.

Mantra 44 Pulling nonsensical conclusions out of your ass.

Why didn't God just drop a copy of the Bible into the lap of Peter or let it fall off the Cross?

Mantra 1a.

Mantra 4a.

One of the "miscellaneous" documents on that site is Into the Night's mantra list.

 

[Cypress]

You are describing a prophet. The "Son of Man" or the "Immanuel" is something entirely different.

Bulverism
Argument from ignorance fallacy
Fallacy 36b.

hint: energy and matter are not interchangeable

The Theory of the Big Bang is just a nonscientific theory

Wave-Particle duality is classical physics.

There is no such thing as an accelerating reference frame!!

There is no such thing as an 'accelerating frame of reference'.

Darwin's theory of evolution is not science

Axioms are not postulates!

The Nazis were also socialists.

Bulverism fallacy. Bigotry.

Bulverism. Bigotry. False Authority.

bigotry, bulverism

 

[Saint Guinefort]

You are describing a prophet. The "Son of Man" or the "Immanuel" is something entirely different.

I believe "Son of Man" is generally an indicator of "humanity" (as opposed to being God himself) while "Immanuel" means God with us, correct?

I can conceive that the appelation "son of man" would apply to everyone while "Immanuel" would ONLY apply to Jesus (whether he explicitly proclaimed that or not)

 

[IBDaMann]

I believe "Son of Man" is generally an indicator of "humanity" (as opposed to being God himself) while "Immanuel" means God with us, correct?
I can conceive that the appelation "son of man" would apply to everyone while "Immanuel" would ONLY apply to Jesus (whether he explicitly proclaimed that or not)

I want you to have an answer. I am going to defer to whatever gfm7175 says. In discussions such as these, I need to choose in advance my "authoritative reference" ... and while there are many excellent references in the form of Christian posters on JPP, I had to pick one, and so gfm7175 is my official reference on Christian faith issues along with the KJV. He'll give you your answer when he reads this post. In the meantime, other Christians can answer as well.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

I want you to have an answer. I am going to defer to whatever gfm7175 says. In discussions such as these, I need to choose in advance my "authoritative reference" ... and while there are many excellent references in the form of Christian posters on JPP, I had to pick one, and so gfm7175 is my official reference on Christian faith issues along with the KJV. He'll give you your answer when he reads this post. In the meantime, other Christians can answer as well.

Well, fer fuck's sake, GO WAKE HIM UP! This is important!

 

[IBDaMann]

Well, fer fuck's sake, GO WAKE HIM UP! This is important!

I have the FBI, the local precinct and the county sheriff all going door-to-door, ... and I have released the hounds. We'll find him.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I want you to have an answer. I am going to defer to whatever gfm7175 says. In discussions such as these, I need to choose in advance my "authoritative reference" ... and while there are many excellent references in the form of Christian posters on JPP, I had to pick one, and so gfm7175 is my official reference on Christian faith issues along with the KJV. He'll give you your answer when he reads this post. In the meantime, other Christians can answer as well.

Mantra 50 Public Masturbation

Mantra 1a.

Mantra 4a.

One of the "miscellaneous" documents on that site is Into the Night's mantra list.

 

[Into the Night]

Most people in antiquity were illiterate. Even many copyists couldn't read the documents they copied.

Really?? Do you know how old various writing systems are???? People could read them too.

Writing was not rare.

 

[Into the Night]

Well, fer fuck's sake, GO WAKE HIM UP! This is important!

He's not going to travel to gfm7175's State just to satisfy you. It's rather a long distance for him.
It's an even longer distance for me. You're just going to have to kill you oscillation until gfm7175 decides to answer.

However, I am also a Christian. In the meantime, perhaps I could be the authoritative reference for you.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

He's not going to travel to gfm7175's State just to satisfy you. It's rather a long distance for him.
It's an even longer distance for me. You're just going to have to kill you oscillation until gfm7175 decides to answer.

However, I am also a Christian. In the meantime, perhaps I could be the authoritative reference for you.

God I wish you had a sense of humor. It would make you less of a drudgery to read.

 

[Into Тhe Night]

Really?? Do you know how old various writing systems are???? People could read them too.

Writing was not rare.

I never claimed that writing didn't exist in antiquity. I claimed that most people in antiquity were illiterate.