Herd Immunity Proven To Be A Failed Approach To Corona

[PoliTalker]

Brazil:

"Simon Ostrovsky:

The country's top leadership allowed the virus to spread unhindered in the name of the economy and with the belief that so-called herd immunity could end the pandemic.

Marcia Castro:

It was a sequence of mistakes that accumulated and end up with what we're seeing now, many more deaths than we should see and hospitals not about to collapse, but completely collapsed already.

Simon Ostrovsky:

The city of Manaus, deep in the Amazon, was where the health system collapsed first and hardest. It became so overwhelmed that doctors ran out of oxygen, and many COVID patients simply suffocated to death.

According to Jorge Kalil, the head of clinical immunology and allergy at the University of Sao Paulo School of Medicine, it became a breeding ground for a new highly infectious variant called P.1.

Jorge Kalil:

In Manaus, for instance, we had many people that had already the disease, so we had partial immunity. When you have partial immunity, you can select mutants that have a better adherence to the receptor or can escape from the immune response.

Simon Ostrovsky:

The idea that herd immunity could provide a population with protection was disproven disastrously here."

Bolsonaro faces criminal investigation, possible impeachment over COVID response in Brazil

"Brazil formalized a criminal investigation last week into President Jair Bolsonaro’s response to the pandemic. It could lead to his impeachment. The country just passed 400,000 total fatalities so far, with no significant slowdown in sight. With support from the Sloan Foundation, special correspondent Simon Ostrovsky and producer Charles Lyons bring us the first of two reports.

Brazil's Supreme Court formalized a criminal investigation last week into President Jair Bolsonaro's handling of the pandemic. It could eventually lead to his impeachment.

At the same time, Brazil's death toll from COVID-19 continues to spiral out of control. The country just passed 400,000 fatalities since the beginning of the pandemic, with no significant slowdown in sight."

 

[Grokmaster]

POOR CORONA-MANIAC ENTERING CRITICAL MASS MELTDOWN AS ITS BELOVED VIRUS DIES OUT...^^^

 

[cancel2 2022]

POOR CORONA-MANIAC ENTERRING CRITICAL MASS MELTDOWN AS ITS BELOVED VIRUS DIES OUT...^^^

She's truly an obsessional bitch, never fucking stops! She can shove her PIP up her back passage.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Herd Immunity Proven To Be A Failed Approach To Corona

Bull Shit

 

[Grokmaster]

She's truly an obsessional bitch, never fucking stops! She can shove her PIP up her back passage.

SHE WILL BE LIKE A LOST SHIP AT SEA WHEN THE SINO-DEMOCRAT BIO-ATTACK VIRUS FINALLY DIES OFF...

 

[Walt]

Herd Immunity Proven To Be A Failed Approach To Corona

Bull Shit

If Brazil and India are nowhere near herd immunity, then the USA is nowhere near even being nowhere near herd immunity. For some reason, natural herd immunity is not happening. Hawkeye's hoping, Grok's screaming, and the rest's crying is not changing that.

Maybe vaccine immunity will work out better, and lead to vaccinated herd immunity. We can hope, but we have to work as if even that will fail.

 

[Darth Omar]

If Brazil and India are nowhere near herd immunity, then the USA is nowhere near even being nowhere near herd immunity. For some reason, natural herd immunity is not happening. Hawkeye's hoping, Grok's screaming, and the rest's crying is not changing that.

Maybe vaccine immunity will work out better, and lead to vaccinated herd immunity. We can hope, but we have to work as if even that will fail.

It’s a fact that some degree of any population has natural immunity to the CCP virus, Alter.

 

[Walt]

It’s a fact that some degree of any population has natural immunity to the CCP virus, Alter.

We all have immune systems that would fight any disease, so I guess to some degree we all have some natural immunity to any disease... That simply is not good enough to defeat Covid-19.

Now we have to figure out why, so we can defeat Covid-19.

 

[Darth Omar]

We all have immune systems that would fight any disease, so I guess to some degree we all have some natural immunity to any disease... That simply is not good enough to defeat Covid-19.

Now we have to figure out why, so we can defeat Covid-19.

If there’s no herd immunity then forget ‘defeat’.

But natural immunity is a fact; and if there’s natural immunity then it’s hard to write off herd immunity. I refuse to take Fauci’s word for it.

If there were no natural immunity, there would be no asymptomatic spread. The fact is the pandemic has produced an unusually high number of *naturally immune* individuals in any given population. Probably due to T-cells or other immune components leftover from previous Covid [cold virus?] infections.

 

[Walt]

But natural immunity is a fact

It is a fact that we are not hitting natural herd immunity, so the question becomes why.

I refuse to take Fauci’s word for it.

If Brazil and India were close to natural herd immunity, then we would be seeing it right now, and you would not need to take Fauci's word for it. Your problem is with reality, not Fauci.

 

[Darth Omar]

It is a fact that we are not hitting natural herd immunity, so the question becomes why.

If Brazil and India were close to natural herd immunity, then we would be seeing it right now, and you would not need to take Fauci's word for it. Your problem is with reality, not Fauci.

Who said they were?

My point is the existence of natural immunity is a fact. And that fact seems to contradict the *notion* that there is no Covid herd immunity.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

It’s a fact that some degree of any population has natural immunity to the CCP virus, Alter.

It is a fact that this brand new novel virus which began in late 2019 is now out of control, with over 3 million humans dead, and humans do not know when or if it will ever be under control. So far, we have had some limited success, but the virus is proving to be an elusive creature to eliminate. As soon as pockets of humans develop limited immunity, the virus mutates and attacks the same group all over again in it's new form.

The race is on. It's vaccination vs mutation.

Our efforts are greatly weakened by pockets of humans who seem to actually be on the side of the virus, doing everything in their power to fight FOR the virus and AGAINST all other humans, and in some cases themselves.

I'd like to see a website devoted to listing all the humans who were loudly outspoken, calling the whole thing a hoax, and then died of corona. We've certainly seen examples of this. Herman Cain mocked mask-wearing. He's not doing that any more. He died of corona.

It is encouraging to muse that eventually, the disease may mutate enough times to crack the natural immunity of those humans who refuse to cooperate with the rest of society. That would be a tragic way to eliminate those arguments, but it may sadly come to that.

Herman Cain foolishly thought that money was more important than life itself. On May 19th, 2020, he was clamoring for fully reopening the economy, despite the rise in corona numbers:

"“There is a political element in here and all of the Democrats don’t want us to open up and they keep claiming we might be opening up too soon. Look at the data! We’re not opening up too soon,” Cain said. “They would love to be able to campaign on a totally collapsed economy and blame President Trump and his administration.” He added that certain Republican governors were “reaching that proper balance” in reopening schedules. “We are only about a week and a half into some of this measured type of reopening that states like Florida, and Georgia, and Texas are doing,” he said. “So far, according to [Health and Human Services] Secretary Alex [Azar] they are doing OK and it has not spiked in terms of hospitalizations. That is a good sign.”"

At that time, only 1420 people had died. Boy, was he ever on the wrong side of things!

Herman Cain, Conservative Culture Warrior Who Opposed Mask Mandates, Dies of COVID-19

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

If there’s no herd immunity then forget ‘defeat’.

But natural immunity is a fact; and if there’s natural immunity then it’s hard to write off herd immunity. I refuse to take Fauci’s word for it.

If there were no natural immunity, there would be no asymptomatic spread. The fact is the pandemic has produced an unusually high number of *naturally immune* individuals in any given population. Probably due to T-cells or other immune components leftover from previous Covid [cold virus?] infections.

And after it mutates into something with different characteristics, then what?

Where are your guarantees written? Did the virus sign off to this? And if it fails to comply with your edicts, do we take it to court? How do you do that?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

Who said they were?

My point is the existence of natural immunity is a fact. And that fact seems to contradict the *notion* that there is no Covid herd immunity.

That ASSUMES the virus stays in it's current form. Big mistake. Evolution does not stop because you assume it might.

 

[anatta]

Who said they were?

he's an idiot

My point is the existence of natural immunity is a fact. And that fact seems to contradict the *notion* that there is no Covid herd immunity.

asymptomatic exposure brings immunity after the virus leaves the body. memory T cells and "killer" T cells can take on new exposure.
Variants might be more indectious, but we know vaccines work on variants s well

In Brazil and India case the populations hit those least able to fight back. and vaccine shortages means there needs to be more emphasis on cocktail like trump got


https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...as-been-given-for-his-covid-19-treatment.html

Dexamethasone
Remdesivir
Regeneron's monoclonal antibody
Zinc
Vitamin D
Famotidine
Melatonin
Aspirin

 

[Walt]

My point is the existence of natural immunity is a fact. And that fact seems to contradict the *notion* that there is no Covid herd immunity.

Clearly, we are not close to natural herd immunity. Clearly, Brazil and India are not close to natural herd immunity. Your attempt to "logic" away facts on the ground does not work.

The question we should use our logic to work out is why has natural herd immunity failed so far. We can add in the fact that people are getting Covid-19 a second time, and even the same strain a second time. That would suggest that natural immunity, while it does exist, fades quickly.

If we are wrong, and natural herd immunity suddenly snaps into place, then you will be proven correct. That seems far fetched right now, so it is better to work out why herd immunity is failing.

 

[Micawber]

I refuse to take Fauci’s word for it.

This is the basic problem the dumb party has, and by extension, so do we all. Brainless Democrat hating recalcitrance.

West VA republican ex nurse or eminent Dr. Fauci, 1st in Cornell medical school, immunologist for 40 years and chief medical advisor to several US Presidents. hmmm. So hard to decide.

LMAO at you.

 

[anatta]

Clearly, we are not close to natural herd immunity. Clearly, Brazil and India are not close to natural herd immunity. Your attempt to "logic" away facts on the ground does not work.

The question we should use our logic to work out is why has natural herd immunity failed so far. We can add in the fact that people are getting Covid-19 a second time, and even the same strain a second time. That would suggest that natural immunity, while it does exist, fades quickly.

If we are wrong, and natural herd immunity suddenly snaps into place, then you will be proven correct. That seems far fetched right now, so it is better to work out why herd immunity is failing.

no
it means they have a compromised immune system if they get it 2x.
if it was a "fade away" we would all get it more than once.. JFC use some logic along with the fearmongering

 

[Walt]

no
it means they have a compromised immune system if they get it 2x.
if it was a "fade away" we would all get it more than once.. JFC use some logic along with the fearmongering

Anything is possible, but your theory seems far fetched and wishful thinking. I mean, you are claiming that the entire nation of Brazil has a compromised immune system.

More and more people are getting Covid-19 a second time. It is happening in Britain, which has very good bio-medical research, and so can pretty much prove it.

 

[anatta]

Anything is possible, but your theory seems far fetched and wishful thinking. I mean, you are claiming that the entire nation of Brazil has a compromised immune system.

More and more people are getting Covid-19 a second time. It is happening in Britain, which has very good bio-medical research, and so can pretty much prove it.

you need to provide some cites - and no Im not claiming that at all. what are the numbers for Braazilians being reinfected with symptoms?

I'm not claiming natural immunity either by itself without the vaccine. that's silly.
even the few kids that get it aren't "immune" they just are able to overcome it with their immune system

In Brazils case and India as well there are vaxx shortages, then they had super spreader events

but T-Cells and other immune properties I am not bothering to look up do clearly stop reinfection in the vast majority of populations