Herd Immunity Proven To Be A Failed Approach To Corona

Hello goat,

goat said:
It's called Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media is a 1988 book by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky. It shows how our government owned media allows people to think they are making the choice to go to war or take a vaccine but in reality it's being forced on us by branding dissent as un-American. True patriots see the patriot act as a repeal of habeas corpus and the bill of rights.

Young folk are fed up with the lack of opportunity. The gig economy is coming to an end because zoomers want more out of life than driving a car to pay for the room they rent or share with a stranger. Can we agree that this is what we've become as a society?
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Thanks for turning me onto that book. Sounds like something I would be interested in reading. Although I noticed a discrepancy between the review I read and your take on it. The review said the mass media. It didn't mention anything about the 'government owned media,' whatever that is. For PBS and NPR, the government does not produce nor influence the content.

I am a regular PBS and NPR listener and do not recall any branding of anything as un-American. Can you cite an example?

I agree the Patriot Act was sort of the opposite of what the name implies.

Young people have a right to be frustrated with the lack of opportunity. I have been arguing for years that it is tougher to make it these days then it used to be. And it is still getting tougher as time passes. I fault improperly regulated capitalism for that. The goal of capitalism is to reward the owners of capital with as much wealth as possible by always seeking a greater ROI. This means eliminating labor costs. Jobs are downsized and menial tasks cut out to be done by machines or the lowest paid workers. The goal is to reduce the number of higher paid workers, and get the most profitable productivity out of them. The ideal capitalist venture would have no workers at all. That is actively being sought.

I don't see how we can continue to expand our population and reduce the number of well-paying jobs. That is logically going to lead to extreme wealth inequality. And that is precisely what is occurring. There is already an insufficient number of well-paying jobs.

It appears inevitable that we will one day be forced to institute a UBI, and we will tax the rich to pay for it. I think it may be time to start that up right now. But that idea is ahead of the curve as far as social acceptance goes. How do you tell someone who worked their butt off to get ahead that he needs to pay for free college for younger people after he worked his own way through college? And then try to tell him that after he has worked for decades to build a retirement that he should be taxed to pay for others to not work. Tough sell.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello goat,



Thanks for turning me onto that book. Sounds like something I would be interested in reading. Although I noticed a discrepancy between the review I read and your take on it. The review said the mass media. It didn't mention anything about the 'government owned media,' whatever that is. For PBS and NPR, the government does not produce nor influence the content.

I am a regular PBS and NPR listener and do not recall any branding of anything as un-American. Can you cite an example?

I agree the Patriot Act was sort of the opposite of what the name implies.

Young people have a right to be frustrated with the lack of opportunity. I have been arguing for years that it is tougher to make it these days then it used to be. And it is still getting tougher as time passes. I fault improperly regulated capitalism for that. The goal of capitalism is to reward the owners of capital with as much wealth as possible by always seeking a greater ROI. This means eliminating labor costs. Jobs are downsized and menial tasks cut out to be done by machines or the lowest paid workers. The goal is to reduce the number of higher paid workers, and get the most profitable productivity out of them. The ideal capitalist venture would have no workers at all. That is actively being sought.

I don't see how we can continue to expand our population and reduce the number of well-paying jobs. That is logically going to lead to extreme wealth inequality. And that is precisely what is occurring. There is already an insufficient number of well-paying jobs.

It appears inevitable that we will one day be forced to institute a UBI, and we will tax the rich to pay for it. I think it may be time to start that up right now. But that idea is ahead of the curve as far as social acceptance goes. How do you tell someone who worked their butt off to get ahead that he needs to pay for free college for younger people after he worked his own way through college? And then try to tell him that after he has worked for decades to build a retirement that he should be taxed to pay for others to not work. Tough sell.
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The review must be correct because I always have my own take on everything. GWB said something like either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. I can spend all day on this but it's easy to see there's no gray. The point is we are told to go with the flow or be branded unpatriotic.

This is a fun conversation.
 
Hello goat,

goat said:
The review must be correct because I always have my own take on everything. GWB said something like either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. I can spend all day on this but it's easy to see there's no gray. The point is we are told to go with the flow or be branded unpatriotic.

This is a fun conversation.
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GWB was well criticized for saying that.

It's always difficult to have principles and be pressured to violate them.

Patriotic is something that is good for the country, not the individual. Ultimately it could mean dying for your country. That is extremely unlikely in the case of vaccines.

Agreed. Good conversation.
 
goat said:
I talk with people who deny our culture war all the time. Most refuse to accept that there's more than one culture in the US. Their house on a cul-de-sac and good paying job with a defense contractor causes illusory superiority. Take your vaccine and don't make waves so we can get back to pillaging every inch of the globe. They close their eyes to the destitute and despair right here in the wealthiest nation in history.

No one will ever accept responsibility for how we got here, even as they see the lack of opportunity for their children and grandchildren.
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Those who are responsible for how we got here and gone. If they could see where we're headed, would they have had the will to get us there?
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello goat,



GWB was well criticized for saying that.

It's always difficult to have principles and be pressured to violate them.

Patriotic is something that is good for the country, not the individual. Ultimately it could mean dying for your country. That is extremely unlikely in the case of vaccines.

Agreed. Good conversation.
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Because of my long goatee, I am constantly profiled by police who demand to see my ID -- even though there is no law requiring me to carry or show ID. A vaccine certificate is just another excuse for militarized police to stop law abiding citizens and demand to see their papers. There's a movement of young folk who instigate contact with police for the sole purpose of refusing to show their ID. They get beat up and arrested for daring to exercise their constitutional rights but it's all caught on video, so cops are being disciplined and cities are paying the lawsuits.

30 years ago, Chomsky was like a god to me but the older I get the more I realize he throws interference for the undemocratic party. He wants young folk to vote for Hillary and Biden and give up their push for a 3rd party. Like all great writers, Chomsky wants to preserve his legacy in government owned media at the cost of new generations laughing at him.
 
RB 60 said:
Those who are responsible for how we got here and gone. If they could see where we're headed, would they have had the will to get us there?
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I'm pretty sure our founders are rolling in their grave.
 
anonymoose said:
Badge of honor. I respect that. I tried to be “polite” to that passive aggressive twat for a couple of months when she responded to me (don’t think I ever replied to her) until I couldn’t take it anymore.
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She's a typical narrow-minded DemoKKKrat psychopath/fascist.

She's everything she claims to hate and fear.
 
Hello goat,

goat said:
Because of my long goatee, I am constantly profiled by police who demand to see my ID -- even though there is no law requiring me to carry or show ID. A vaccine certificate is just another excuse for militarized police to stop law abiding citizens and demand to see their papers. There's a movement of young folk who instigate contact with police for the sole purpose of refusing to show their ID. They get beat up and arrested for daring to exercise their constitutional rights but it's all caught on video, so cops are being disciplined and cities are paying the lawsuits.

30 years ago, Chomsky was like a god to me but the older I get the more I realize he throws interference for the undemocratic party. He wants young folk to vote for Hillary and Biden and give up their push for a 3rd party. Like all great writers, Chomsky wants to preserve his legacy in government owned media at the cost of new generations laughing at him.
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Nobody likes being accosted by police. The thing to know is: they are not all the same. They look the same, all wearing similar uniforms, but that's deceptive. Some of them are real jerks on a power trip. Others are VERY cool. We can't judge them all by the appearance. That is a huge mistake. They are people, like anybody else. They have taken on a job that most people do not want to do. We don't like it when they come down on us, but we have to have them out there doing their thing.

I love hearing Chomsky. He is so wise. I'm sure he wishes we had a better liberal party than the Democratic party. But politics is messy and that means money is involved. BIG money. I see that as a big challenge for America to find a way past that. But for now it really messes up our vision of a government of the people, by the people, for the people. Nice saying, but we all know the score. It is a government of wealthy, by wealthy, and for wealthy.

Did you watch that vid I posted?

Isn't that interesting about the impact of people's views on the likelihood of a bill passing vs the impact of the views of the wealthy?

It's like it doesn't matter what we the people want; It's all about what they the wealthy want.

I think that's fixable, just not in an instant gratification way. It's gonna take a movement and a long time. It could be decades.

It's hard to hold onto a vision that might take to long that people could fight for it all their lives and it doesn't happen until another generation takes it up and pushes it across the finish line.

Look how long it has taken to get legal pot. 50 years and still working on it.
 
The original human rights thing wasn't for the people.

It was for the wealthy.

It was called Magna Carta.

This battle of the power of wealth has been going on longer than the USA has even been around.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello goat,



Nobody likes being accosted by police. The thing to know is: they are not all the same. They look the same, all wearing similar uniforms, but that's deceptive. Some of them are real jerks on a power trip. Others are VERY cool. We can't judge them all by the appearance. That is a huge mistake. They are people, like anybody else. They have taken on a job that most people do not want to do. We don't like it when they come down on us, but we have to have them out there doing their thing.

I love hearing Chomsky. He is so wise. I'm sure he wishes we had a better liberal party than the Democratic party. But politics is messy and that means money is involved. BIG money. I see that as a big challenge for America to find a way past that. But for now it really messes up our vision of a government of the people, by the people, for the people. Nice saying, but we all know the score. It is a government of wealthy, by wealthy, and for wealthy.

Did you watch that vid I posted?

Isn't that interesting about the impact of people's views on the likelihood of a bill passing vs the impact of the views of the wealthy?

It's like it doesn't matter what we the people want; It's all about what they the wealthy want.

I think that's fixable, just not in an instant gratification way. It's gonna take a movement and a long time. It could be decades.

It's hard to hold onto a vision that might take to long that people could fight for it all their lives and it doesn't happen until another generation takes it up and pushes it across the finish line.

Look how long it has taken to get legal pot. 50 years and still working on it.
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The US is projected to end up with close to 100 million people who refuse a vaccine. If government continues to squeeze people to get vaccinated, quite a few independents and democrats will vote republican in 2022 and 2024. Ironically, a party divided will unite over the right to choose what they do with their own body. This brings us back to our culture war, the tinderbox known as the US is about to ignite.

Yes, I saw that video awhile back.
 
Hello goat,

goat said:
The US is projected to end up with close to 100 million people who refuse a vaccine. If government continues to squeeze people to get vaccinated, quite a few independents and democrats will vote republican in 2022 and 2024. Ironically, a party divided will unite over the right to choose what they do with their own body. This brings us back to our culture war, the tinderbox known as the US is about to ignite.

Yes, I saw that video awhile back.
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I would be pretty surprised if people switch and vote for Republicans over vaccines. And that will be kind of old news by the fall of 22.

The Republicans have made The Big Lie their standard of acceptance. If they continue to cling to that I don't think that's going to make it very easy to draw in new voters.
 
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