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oh he would wait until putin did trump and the bend it over for a double teaming from both
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oh he would wait until putin did trump and the bend it over for a double teaming from both
Billy Batts
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If you were dealing with facts you would not vote for Trump over Clinton claiming he has better foreign policy credentials. Now get your head out of Benghazi, and look at the rest of the world Clinton dealt with for eight years, and Trump did not. You posted cherry picked spam. I have already read the 800-plus page report,that took two years to make. The report had no new significant details about the attacks and it offered no clear and direct evidence that laid the blame for the attacks on Hillary Clinton.
Billy Batts
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Okay now you are talking like a partisan idiot, I have no dealings with that foolishness.
hopeless. you are fixated on Bengazi.."cherry picked spam" it's her own State Dept memo?
do you need more? how about the NYTimes? educate yourself.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html?_r=1
Hillary Clinton,
‘Smart Power’
and a
Dictator’s Fall
The president was wary. The
secretary of state was persuasive.
But the ouster of Col. Muammar
el-Qaddafi left Libya a failed
state and a terrorist haven.
Damn you are simple
did you hold Bush accountable for the destruction of Iraq? creating ISIS? I do.
Why not hold Clinton responsible for Libya? -i've given you 2 main sources -not "spam"
do you even know that ISIS moved into Libya, just like it did Iraq from Syria??
and I'm partisan?? How in the FUCK can you give a pass to Clinton when you blame Bush for the very same thing.
deaths of 10,000s,and ruination of a country. Iraq=Libya in that sense.
the adults are having a conversation. go play with your toys. thanks.
how do you figureTalking to Putin ( which is all he's said) is better then not talking and continuing the Cold War 2.0?
Clinton is continuing the same failed idea of the Russian boogeyman. She blames everything on Putin including her staff's horrendous Wikileaks.
How about taking Putin seriously -and that includes Russian security interests.
Or we can slip-slide into 30 more years of Cold war. That's not in anyone's interests. we're already "beefing up the border"
Putin is doing the same.
The insanity returns, and Clinton- as usual- is chomping at the bit for confrontaton..and I'm suppose to be worried about a Trump foreign policy??
Billy Batts
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1) No. I did not.
2) Tell me why it is Clinton's fault? Muammar Gaddafi was overthrown by his own people.
3) Yes but it was still a populous uprising.
4) I never blamed Bush. See answer 1 you partisan hack.
Are you voting for Trump because you believe he has a better foreign policy platform than Clinton?
But Bernie pegged her. Her excoriated her on Big Donors, and her shitty judgement.
I can certainly understand voting against Trump. I'm voting for him for much the same reasons as I voted for Bernie:
break up the hopeless plutocracy...if you want a "political revolution" (Bernie's words) then you have to actually not support the oligarchy.
Clinton is the oligarchy: her ill gains, her secret Wall St speeches where she says "wall st is best able to regulate itself"
*ick*so you lose me there.
but here's where you really lose me:
she's a warmongering, corrupt, imperious, grifter with a horrible record from her launching post as Sec of State.
she barerly escaped criminal indictment..( she showed extreme carelessness = gross negligence -only her intent not to commit a crime saved her.
If you wanna support that , after Iraq and Libya to boot..there's really nothing I can say
right. Russian reset. that was a screw up.. why don't you show some Clinton accomplishments in her field as sec of state? * there aren't any*
Billy Batts
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I already have shown Clinton successes in Asia, no need to be redundant. Show me Trump's - oh you cant because he has no foreign policy experience.
he hasn't been a politician you moron. He didn't destroy Libya either. ( not Bengazi for the umpteenth time)
You rap off some "Mallaca Strait" as success.. was that part of the Asian Pivot?
Billy Batts
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So Trump has no experience in foreign policy, and Clinton does. Benghazi is the second largest city in Libya , that is where this entire Bagger charade started Duncski. The Asia pivot is sound policy that deals with the reality of the end of the Cold War, and a rise in China,as an economic,and military power, whose goal is to shift the balance of power in Asia to their advantage. Baggers like to use it as a Buzz word but there is no mystery to it.
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John Dillinger had experience in banking..would you make him head of the Treasury dept? Clinton's "experience" is war and death.
what about that pivot?
congrats on finding Bengazi..but this is not about Bengazi. It's the Libyan war.
Warrior135
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The Syrian conflict and birth of ISIS started as something like the other 'arab spring' movements across the middle east ..
this was mostly the work of hillary Clinton .. with the approval of oBama .. as she is the core representitive of the democrat wing of hawkish military industrialist profiteers ..
obama .. his cabinet .. in tandem with our 'allies' Turkey .. Saudi .. Quatari .. in the region .. fomented revolution by funding 'democratic front groups' in targeted countries .. washing them with millions of dollars to pay protesters in flash demonstrations .. with the tacit understanding that western countries were their backers with media narritive and support ..
every country in the ME is ruled by a dictator .. the only democracy in the region being Isreal ..
You can say these dictators are bad .. yes .. pretty much that is true .. they are bad .. but some are more bad then others .. and far worse are those within the population who wish to restore sharia islamic law and over throw the leaders ..
this is why .. generally these dictators are viewed as bad .. they do suppress risings by ethnic tribes hostile to their own .. or radical muslim extremists that are prevalent in each of these countries ..
But .. Obama didn't and doesn't see radical islamists as a problem .. this is because he is mephistopholes ..
so .. for him .. he loves to sow disarray and disharmony at any possible opportunity ..
First he assisted in toppling Mubarrak the Pharroh of Egypt .. and helped install a Muslim Brotherhood government .. these islamists hide behind a rather moderate sounding name .. but they are the grandfathers of all sorts of terrorists movements .. al quida .. jarish al islam .. radical palistinian movements .. ect ect ..
Thankfully the military rose up and a general in the army .. Sisi .. captured and discarded this newborn radical muslim government before it could settle in roots .. obama was furious .. and Jonn ketsup Kerry denounced that re - revolution .. away from radical muslims .. and the US for awhile stopped sending financial assistance and weapons to that country ..
All this did was force Sisi to look towards other avenues of diplomatic relations .. and open up new connections militarily with russia .. and financially with saudi arabia ..
Overall disaster was averted in Egypt .. Obamas' radical muslim vision for that country was for now squashed ..
Next .. they set their sights on Libya ..
Gaddaffi wasn't THAT bad a guy .. a screwloose yes .. and he had previously supported terrorists himself .. long in the past .. but he had largly changed his bad boy ways after seing his buddy Saddam Hussain pummeled .. remember it was george bush and his connection to 'yellow cake' in libya ..
Well Gaddaffi straightened up .. He had shut down all the budding nuclear sites and allowed inspectors in and surrendered all his nuclear weapons material stockpiles ..
His sons were living largely in England and Europe and were Westernising .. they had abundant wealth in budget surplusses in their economy ..
All this said .. Gaddaffi did assist in bombing the Pan Am flight over Lockerbe some 30 years ago .. but .. he was currently playing by the rules and had 'turned over a new leaf'
This here was the next epicenter of the 'arab spring' where the western funded and inspired jihaadist began uprising against their dictator ..
When it was clear that Gaddaffi did in fact have large support and was driving the opposition into the sea .. the US proposed a 'no fly zone' be created in the UN security council ..
It's mandate was very limited and defined in only allowing western jets to shoot down or otherwise keep grounded the libyan air force to somewhat even the level of the battlefield .. And allow for humanitarian assistance .
Well as soon as they arrived the american french and british jets broke the boundries of the mandate limitations ..
so the big bad air planes showed up to ''stop humanitarian suffering and attacks on civilians" when infact .. beyond just shutting down the libyan air force .. they began wholesale bombardment of ground forces .. infrastructure .. weapons systems .. and everything and anything else the wanted to destroy on a whim ..
Gaddaffi and his loyalists were pounded day and night in an undeclared war .. but there was nothing he could do .. eventually he was dwindled down to a convoy escaping his home town Sirte with around 100 vehicles ..
The car in front of his was hit directly with a missle his car was disabled and he was seperated from the group .. injured he and one or two of the surviving men with him crawled into a concrete road pipe ...
they were surrounded and captured by Jihadis .. he was seen on a phone camera being beaten and bloodied .. they shot him several times and cut his face .. shoved some sword up his ass .. and generally tortured him until he bled out ..
hillary clinton remarked on this illegal and unauthorized war 'we came . we saw . he died . shrill laughter of a mad woman '
Moamar Gaddafi's Aire and Son Saif al Gaddaffi was captured and taken to a makeshift Ziltan militia prision where he is still held and routinely tortured .. several of his fingers have been cut off ..
IsIs and radical islamists are now controling most of the country .. the ''secular freedom fighters'' are pretty much been co-opted or killed by now and the country is now in dissaray and destroyed ..
in this case the administration was successful .
as the Libyian conflict was winding down .. Sec clinton and oBama started plotting their next move ..
to reinforce the islamist radical revolutionaries in syria ..
But by now regional leaders were looking on with a wary eye .. the US had helped in overthrowing an ally in Mubarrak .. and nearly ushered in radical islamists in egypt ..
suddenly it seemed that a friend in Washington could be an enemy in disguise .. even to a ruthless petty dictator they were treacherous .. some more started re-approachment to an old cold war advasary in Russia .. formerly the Soviets .. and behind the scenes the ruskies were again making diplomatic and military ovetures ..
for instance .. when the islamic state came into iraq .. bagdad urgently requested f-16 fighters to bomb them .. jets that obama was already 2years behind schudule in delivering ..
with urgent requests .. within 1 week russia was sending in refurbished used fighter bombers to fill the gap .. that is .. until some time later obama fulfiled that contract WAY too late .. but were getting ahead now .. i'm just saying .. people there began questioning obamas commitment to pacts agreements .. alliances .. and started doubting the soundness of his judgment .. though he's not stupid .. he's just working for the other side ..
so back to Libya ..
The US had to dispose of some (alot) of weapons that were as of yet undelivered to jihhadis .. and they would find good use with radicals opposed to bashar al assad .. in syria ..
Also now was a great opportunity to tie up some loose ends .. their man on the ground .. ambasator Stevens .. was a liability ..
He was directing the transfer of weapons to islamist cargo ships at the port city of Bengazi .. they had loaded up the last cargo containers full of excess guns .. money .. and ammo ..
For direct shipment to al quida and ISIS in syria .. his work was complete .. but obama and hillary didn't trust him to keep his mouth shut ..
When everything was done .. and the consulate evacuated except stevens and a few of his assistants .. who .. were readying to leave ..
The administration dialed up their friends and gave them coordinates for mortar and machine gun fire and allowed them time and cover to kill stevens and burn the residual evidence ..
Now that this was taken care of .. they moved to syria .. to destroy assad ..
this was to acheive two main objectives .. well 3 if you account for the desires of allies in Turkey .. Saudi and Quatar ..
but for the admin .. the main objectives were .. to create a radical islamist factotum army .. and to make an example to russia in destroying the gov that allowed russia's naval foothold in the Mediterranean at Tartus .. they though that like Libya .. the russians would sit aside while the admin and allies pounded out the syrian regime ..
oBama hates Russia more then any other place or people because .. they are Christian .. they are White .. they have refused to bow to his will ..
so he must knock them down for insisting on surviving rather than following his societal suicidal schemes .. to the end .. of procuring more lost souls ..
so .. to weaken putin .. he attacks and will install a jihadi outlaw government in syria as well .. but .. this time .. much to everyones' surprise .. russia defends their ally .. and refuses them to be overrun ..
ohh by now those guns have been delivered .. as well as many more from oBamas friend on the ground in Erdogan of turkey .. and Saudi and Quatar ..
The US funneled guns and ammo to ISIS by giving weapons to Saudis .. who gave some to Quatar .. who then gave their excess and surplus weapons directly to IS .. the money was delivered from Turkey .. as well as route and porus border by which foreign fighters would enter the conflagration ..
however things got out of hand when .. having a slow time in syria .. IS turned east and exploited a weak Bagdad gov and army .. overrunning Mosil .. Tikrit .. and other sunni bastions .. linking former Saddam fighters in with the replinished arms and money from US allies .. futher capturing US military equipment 'accidently' in these areas ..
now ISIS was strong and well reinforced .. and they again returned the focus of the fight against Syria ..
though .. now .. in the region .. nobody is trusting oBama .. and Russian influence is on the rise ..
One desperate night .. Assad on the verge of defeat calls out to putin ..
A squadron of fighter bombers .. in close formation .. gain authorization for overflight from .. iran .. iraq and syria .. and fly a small air force to the beleaguered country ..
Everyone is astounded .. nobody was expecting a challenge and such a bold move .. and that the regional players especially iraq would allow such a overflight ..
They did it again though .. and soon announced that they would be opening an air base to reinforce syria against the islamists ..
Everyone laughed and said they would be in a quagmire .. and that they would lose .. but didn't challenge them to a fight ..
Soon thereafter they showed the modernization of their missile systems by launching several cruise missiles in a mock nuclear strike from boats on the Caspian sea in a demonstration previously only seen by the United States ..
I hate to say this .. but i look at the situation objectively ..
the propaganda doesn't seep into my brain as it seems it does to so many others .. oBama clearly hates america .. he is the Devil .. i could see it in his eyes when he mocked and talked down Christianity at the national prayer breakfast .. he's not even a muslim .. though he likes that they follow a false god and kill and create disarray .. and thus supports them ..
it is thus that i cannot say america is right is supporting these terrorists .. if that makes me unpatriotic in the eyes of anti-american Americans that are brainwashed to think that russia is still the Soviet Union .. well .. That’s your problem ..
So many people don’t use critical thinking skills anymore .. They repeat and follow blindly what they see on the television or read in their ‘news’ papers .
i trust obamas' leadership abroad as well as i do here at home .. he is a traitor .. and the power structure here is guilty of treason for doing nothing to stop them ..
if you've been watching television .. you might think ..
"wait .. this can't be true"
"they said on cnn that we've been launching airstrikes against ISIS for years"
well .. although it is true that they have been flying sorties above syria for years .. it is also true that they have been blowing up empty buildings and just the occasional jeep or other insignificant objects ..
This to allow good television clips to convince the pliable masses that they are attacking terrorism ..
There were frequent accounts from pilots that 1/2 the time they flew a sortie .. that they returned to base with all their weapons unloosed .. they would literally fly for hours asking permission to attack clearly visible isis foes on the ground .. only to be instructed to return to base ..
Other times .. they were directed to blow up sand dunes to use up a few bombs before returning to base ..
Most 'attacks' were not aimed at the real bad guys .. and were 'pinprick' strikes .. when they did hit their aim .. for tv audience consumption only ..
You need only to remember that the whole while the 'coalition' was attacking isis .. it was growing and growing .. constantly taking more territory and threatening all of iraq .. all the way up to the suburbs of bagdad and damaskus ..
despite what ever they hemm and haww about .. this was true .. coalition vs ISIS .. IS was winning .. we have overwhelming power capability .. they wouldn't have been winning unless they were allowed to win .. and were covertly supported ..
well .. flash forward to sep. 30 .. when the Russians entered the fray ..
Immediately .. with a smaller airforce then our own ..
They began launching 5x more sorties a day then we had been doing .. and actually using their full complement of ammunition .
This has led to mashing of alot of 'sour grapes' for one .. obama is quite sad to see his ragtag head-chopping friends bombed and killed after all this carefully laid plans ..
Even worse .. now .. that it is shown that isis isn't actually all that tough .. if facing real resistance .. he himself .. has to also bomb them .. for real .. or be uncovered for what he is .. if the russian effort so far outpaces his own that .. that it is shown as a sham ..
This is the most enjoyable part for myself .. knowing the gnashing of teeth .. as the evil one .. feels .. having himself to partake in destroying his own factotum isis army ..
this was mostly the work of hillary Clinton .. with the approval of oBama .. as she is the core representitive of the democrat wing of hawkish military industrialist profiteers ..
obama .. his cabinet .. in tandem with our 'allies' Turkey .. Saudi .. Quatari .. in the region .. fomented revolution by funding 'democratic front groups' in targeted countries .. washing them with millions of dollars to pay protesters in flash demonstrations .. with the tacit understanding that western countries were their backers with media narritive and support ..
every country in the ME is ruled by a dictator .. the only democracy in the region being Isreal ..
You can say these dictators are bad .. yes .. pretty much that is true .. they are bad .. but some are more bad then others .. and far worse are those within the population who wish to restore sharia islamic law and over throw the leaders ..
this is why .. generally these dictators are viewed as bad .. they do suppress risings by ethnic tribes hostile to their own .. or radical muslim extremists that are prevalent in each of these countries ..
But .. Obama didn't and doesn't see radical islamists as a problem .. this is because he is mephistopholes ..
so .. for him .. he loves to sow disarray and disharmony at any possible opportunity ..
First he assisted in toppling Mubarrak the Pharroh of Egypt .. and helped install a Muslim Brotherhood government .. these islamists hide behind a rather moderate sounding name .. but they are the grandfathers of all sorts of terrorists movements .. al quida .. jarish al islam .. radical palistinian movements .. ect ect ..
Thankfully the military rose up and a general in the army .. Sisi .. captured and discarded this newborn radical muslim government before it could settle in roots .. obama was furious .. and Jonn ketsup Kerry denounced that re - revolution .. away from radical muslims .. and the US for awhile stopped sending financial assistance and weapons to that country ..
All this did was force Sisi to look towards other avenues of diplomatic relations .. and open up new connections militarily with russia .. and financially with saudi arabia ..
Overall disaster was averted in Egypt .. Obamas' radical muslim vision for that country was for now squashed ..
Next .. they set their sights on Libya ..
Gaddaffi wasn't THAT bad a guy .. a screwloose yes .. and he had previously supported terrorists himself .. long in the past .. but he had largly changed his bad boy ways after seing his buddy Saddam Hussain pummeled .. remember it was george bush and his connection to 'yellow cake' in libya ..
Well Gaddaffi straightened up .. He had shut down all the budding nuclear sites and allowed inspectors in and surrendered all his nuclear weapons material stockpiles ..
His sons were living largely in England and Europe and were Westernising .. they had abundant wealth in budget surplusses in their economy ..
All this said .. Gaddaffi did assist in bombing the Pan Am flight over Lockerbe some 30 years ago .. but .. he was currently playing by the rules and had 'turned over a new leaf'
This here was the next epicenter of the 'arab spring' where the western funded and inspired jihaadist began uprising against their dictator ..
When it was clear that Gaddaffi did in fact have large support and was driving the opposition into the sea .. the US proposed a 'no fly zone' be created in the UN security council ..
It's mandate was very limited and defined in only allowing western jets to shoot down or otherwise keep grounded the libyan air force to somewhat even the level of the battlefield .. And allow for humanitarian assistance .
Well as soon as they arrived the american french and british jets broke the boundries of the mandate limitations ..
so the big bad air planes showed up to ''stop humanitarian suffering and attacks on civilians" when infact .. beyond just shutting down the libyan air force .. they began wholesale bombardment of ground forces .. infrastructure .. weapons systems .. and everything and anything else the wanted to destroy on a whim ..
Gaddaffi and his loyalists were pounded day and night in an undeclared war .. but there was nothing he could do .. eventually he was dwindled down to a convoy escaping his home town Sirte with around 100 vehicles ..
The car in front of his was hit directly with a missle his car was disabled and he was seperated from the group .. injured he and one or two of the surviving men with him crawled into a concrete road pipe ...
they were surrounded and captured by Jihadis .. he was seen on a phone camera being beaten and bloodied .. they shot him several times and cut his face .. shoved some sword up his ass .. and generally tortured him until he bled out ..
hillary clinton remarked on this illegal and unauthorized war 'we came . we saw . he died . shrill laughter of a mad woman '
Moamar Gaddafi's Aire and Son Saif al Gaddaffi was captured and taken to a makeshift Ziltan militia prision where he is still held and routinely tortured .. several of his fingers have been cut off ..
IsIs and radical islamists are now controling most of the country .. the ''secular freedom fighters'' are pretty much been co-opted or killed by now and the country is now in dissaray and destroyed ..
in this case the administration was successful .
as the Libyian conflict was winding down .. Sec clinton and oBama started plotting their next move ..
to reinforce the islamist radical revolutionaries in syria ..
But by now regional leaders were looking on with a wary eye .. the US had helped in overthrowing an ally in Mubarrak .. and nearly ushered in radical islamists in egypt ..
suddenly it seemed that a friend in Washington could be an enemy in disguise .. even to a ruthless petty dictator they were treacherous .. some more started re-approachment to an old cold war advasary in Russia .. formerly the Soviets .. and behind the scenes the ruskies were again making diplomatic and military ovetures ..
for instance .. when the islamic state came into iraq .. bagdad urgently requested f-16 fighters to bomb them .. jets that obama was already 2years behind schudule in delivering ..
with urgent requests .. within 1 week russia was sending in refurbished used fighter bombers to fill the gap .. that is .. until some time later obama fulfiled that contract WAY too late .. but were getting ahead now .. i'm just saying .. people there began questioning obamas commitment to pacts agreements .. alliances .. and started doubting the soundness of his judgment .. though he's not stupid .. he's just working for the other side ..
so back to Libya ..
The US had to dispose of some (alot) of weapons that were as of yet undelivered to jihhadis .. and they would find good use with radicals opposed to bashar al assad .. in syria ..
Also now was a great opportunity to tie up some loose ends .. their man on the ground .. ambasator Stevens .. was a liability ..
He was directing the transfer of weapons to islamist cargo ships at the port city of Bengazi .. they had loaded up the last cargo containers full of excess guns .. money .. and ammo ..
For direct shipment to al quida and ISIS in syria .. his work was complete .. but obama and hillary didn't trust him to keep his mouth shut ..
When everything was done .. and the consulate evacuated except stevens and a few of his assistants .. who .. were readying to leave ..
The administration dialed up their friends and gave them coordinates for mortar and machine gun fire and allowed them time and cover to kill stevens and burn the residual evidence ..
Now that this was taken care of .. they moved to syria .. to destroy assad ..
this was to acheive two main objectives .. well 3 if you account for the desires of allies in Turkey .. Saudi and Quatar ..
but for the admin .. the main objectives were .. to create a radical islamist factotum army .. and to make an example to russia in destroying the gov that allowed russia's naval foothold in the Mediterranean at Tartus .. they though that like Libya .. the russians would sit aside while the admin and allies pounded out the syrian regime ..
oBama hates Russia more then any other place or people because .. they are Christian .. they are White .. they have refused to bow to his will ..
so he must knock them down for insisting on surviving rather than following his societal suicidal schemes .. to the end .. of procuring more lost souls ..
so .. to weaken putin .. he attacks and will install a jihadi outlaw government in syria as well .. but .. this time .. much to everyones' surprise .. russia defends their ally .. and refuses them to be overrun ..
ohh by now those guns have been delivered .. as well as many more from oBamas friend on the ground in Erdogan of turkey .. and Saudi and Quatar ..
The US funneled guns and ammo to ISIS by giving weapons to Saudis .. who gave some to Quatar .. who then gave their excess and surplus weapons directly to IS .. the money was delivered from Turkey .. as well as route and porus border by which foreign fighters would enter the conflagration ..
however things got out of hand when .. having a slow time in syria .. IS turned east and exploited a weak Bagdad gov and army .. overrunning Mosil .. Tikrit .. and other sunni bastions .. linking former Saddam fighters in with the replinished arms and money from US allies .. futher capturing US military equipment 'accidently' in these areas ..
now ISIS was strong and well reinforced .. and they again returned the focus of the fight against Syria ..
though .. now .. in the region .. nobody is trusting oBama .. and Russian influence is on the rise ..
One desperate night .. Assad on the verge of defeat calls out to putin ..
A squadron of fighter bombers .. in close formation .. gain authorization for overflight from .. iran .. iraq and syria .. and fly a small air force to the beleaguered country ..
Everyone is astounded .. nobody was expecting a challenge and such a bold move .. and that the regional players especially iraq would allow such a overflight ..
They did it again though .. and soon announced that they would be opening an air base to reinforce syria against the islamists ..
Everyone laughed and said they would be in a quagmire .. and that they would lose .. but didn't challenge them to a fight ..
Soon thereafter they showed the modernization of their missile systems by launching several cruise missiles in a mock nuclear strike from boats on the Caspian sea in a demonstration previously only seen by the United States ..
I hate to say this .. but i look at the situation objectively ..
the propaganda doesn't seep into my brain as it seems it does to so many others .. oBama clearly hates america .. he is the Devil .. i could see it in his eyes when he mocked and talked down Christianity at the national prayer breakfast .. he's not even a muslim .. though he likes that they follow a false god and kill and create disarray .. and thus supports them ..
it is thus that i cannot say america is right is supporting these terrorists .. if that makes me unpatriotic in the eyes of anti-american Americans that are brainwashed to think that russia is still the Soviet Union .. well .. That’s your problem ..
So many people don’t use critical thinking skills anymore .. They repeat and follow blindly what they see on the television or read in their ‘news’ papers .
i trust obamas' leadership abroad as well as i do here at home .. he is a traitor .. and the power structure here is guilty of treason for doing nothing to stop them ..
if you've been watching television .. you might think ..
"wait .. this can't be true"
"they said on cnn that we've been launching airstrikes against ISIS for years"
well .. although it is true that they have been flying sorties above syria for years .. it is also true that they have been blowing up empty buildings and just the occasional jeep or other insignificant objects ..
This to allow good television clips to convince the pliable masses that they are attacking terrorism ..
There were frequent accounts from pilots that 1/2 the time they flew a sortie .. that they returned to base with all their weapons unloosed .. they would literally fly for hours asking permission to attack clearly visible isis foes on the ground .. only to be instructed to return to base ..
Other times .. they were directed to blow up sand dunes to use up a few bombs before returning to base ..
Most 'attacks' were not aimed at the real bad guys .. and were 'pinprick' strikes .. when they did hit their aim .. for tv audience consumption only ..
You need only to remember that the whole while the 'coalition' was attacking isis .. it was growing and growing .. constantly taking more territory and threatening all of iraq .. all the way up to the suburbs of bagdad and damaskus ..
despite what ever they hemm and haww about .. this was true .. coalition vs ISIS .. IS was winning .. we have overwhelming power capability .. they wouldn't have been winning unless they were allowed to win .. and were covertly supported ..
well .. flash forward to sep. 30 .. when the Russians entered the fray ..
Immediately .. with a smaller airforce then our own ..
They began launching 5x more sorties a day then we had been doing .. and actually using their full complement of ammunition .
This has led to mashing of alot of 'sour grapes' for one .. obama is quite sad to see his ragtag head-chopping friends bombed and killed after all this carefully laid plans ..
Even worse .. now .. that it is shown that isis isn't actually all that tough .. if facing real resistance .. he himself .. has to also bomb them .. for real .. or be uncovered for what he is .. if the russian effort so far outpaces his own that .. that it is shown as a sham ..
This is the most enjoyable part for myself .. knowing the gnashing of teeth .. as the evil one .. feels .. having himself to partake in destroying his own factotum isis army ..
Billy Batts
Verified User
Sorry I do not reply to total Bullshit.
Billy Batts
Verified User
What a stupid analogy, Dillinger had experience in armed robbery not Banking. Come back with something that resembles an argument.
It's to show you how inane your "Clinton has experience" argument is.
Clinton has experience in organizing wars (Libya) /voting for wars (Iraq)/supporting US intervention in wars (Syria).
Where she took some initative like the Russian reset -she gave Lavrov a plastic button -but changed absolutely nothing in terms of US/Russian relations. Was Putin simply going to buy into a button???
so tell me again about that Malaccan Strait...was it a part of the pivot?
What was her instrumental role there?..