Hmmm.

Charlie was too moderate for the Groypers.

The killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk has reignited attention on a long-simmering feud within elements of the far right, particularly between Kirk and the so-called "Groyper" movement led by white nationalist Nick Fuentes.

Kirk was shot and killed on September 10 during an appearance at Utah Valley University. As authorities investigate the motive, online speculation has turned toward extremist factions that once targeted Kirk—specifically, Fuentes' "Groyper Army," which has long accused him of being insufficiently radical.

Despite his confrontational style, Kirk was frequently attacked from the right for being too moderate. During the 2019 "Groyper Wars," Fuentes' supporters disrupted Turning Point USA events, challenging Kirk on immigration and LGBTQ rights while labeling him a "gatekeeper" of establishment conservatism.


Now, as the public searches for answers in Kirk's assassination, that conflict within far-right is back in the spotlight—with renewed scrutiny on the rhetoric and influence of Fuentes and his followers.

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What’s up, Mott! Took a break from this board myself and just came back the other day. Clearly didn’t pick a quiet time to return.

I want to push back a bit on what you’re saying. You’re not wrong that being high profile and provocative can put more of a target on someone. But there are plenty of people who think simply being a Democrat or Republican makes you an extremist. That’s why I don’t like the idea that “if you just toned it down, you wouldn’t have been murdered.” That doesn’t sit right with me because it almost treats murder as an acceptable outcome.

Totally agree with you, he had security but it wasn't all encompassing and OTT. Not sure why he wasn't behind a perspex screen at the very least.

And walk down the same oblivious ideological path of self destruction. Hey, fine if that’s what you want in your life then go for it Ben.

It's not your decision to make and I'm pretty damn that he is well aware of the risks.
 
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He did not. I have watched many videos after his death, never once did he encourage violence at all, let alone towards LGBTQ+ folks. Even Stephen King backed out of his "stone them" remark, understanding that he was mocking someone else who was cherry picking verses.

While I didn't agree with him on some of his stances in these regards, disagreement was never because of a suggestion of violence. It was mostly that I do not believe in his religion and do not believe that gay people are "sinning". He never suggested they should be hurt. He understood that folks had a right to believe differently in that regard.
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