Home Schooling vs. Compulsory Defenseless Zone Youth Indoctrination

AProudLefty said:
Um it appears you have difficulty keeping track of conversations. Why do you think I said there are only two options?
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You are confused. You were very clear that you somehow thought option B was forced. Obviously it can't be forced if there is an option A.
 
IBDaMann said:
You are confused. You were very clear that you somehow thought option B was forced. Obviously it can't be forced if there is an option A.
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I'll give you a very simple allegory even a caveman who was taught in cave person studies can understand.

You are presented two options for a kid.

It is lunch time.

A. The kid eat an old hamburger found in a dumpster. It is free.
B. The kid eat fresh hamburger. We foot the bill.
 
Jarod said:
A 17 year old girl I know went to enroll in high school as a Junior, after years of home school, they told her she didn’t qualify to be a freshman. The girls mother has been checked out after the father died 7 years ago, but thought she was doing ok in a virtual home school. I feel awful for this girl. The system should have had alarm bells ringing for this girl, but hey some wealthy Floridians saved money on their taxes because they got away with not educating her.
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An entire city of teenagers were rubber-stamp graduated in the high schools with the highest paid teachers in the country (every single one of them a Democrat) and the most powerful teachers union in the country. Many of the highschool students had the English proficiency of 7th graders and the math proficiency of 6th graders yet were graduated all the same. The children's parents assumed their children were learning what they needed to learn. I feel awful for these children and for their parents. The system should have had alarm bells ringing for these school districts, but hey the powerful Chicago unions made sure nothing ever changed, except to get more money for the teachers and to lighten their workload.
 
IBDaMann said:
An entire city of teenagers were rubber-stamp graduated in the high schools with the highest paid teachers in the country (every single one of them a Democrat) and the most powerful teachers union in the country. Many of the highschool students had the English proficiency of 7th graders and the math proficiency of 6th graders yet were graduated all the same. The children's parents assumed their children were learning what they needed to learn. I feel awful for these children and for their parents. The system should have had alarm bells ringing for these school districts, but hey the powerful Chicago unions made sure nothing ever changed, except to get more money for the teachers and to lighten their workload.
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Under 18 can't register.
 
IBDaMann said:
An entire city of teenagers were rubber-stamp graduated in the high schools with the highest paid teachers in the country (every single one of them a Democrat) and the most powerful teachers union in the country. Many of the highschool students had the English proficiency of 7th graders and the math proficiency of 6th graders yet were graduated all the same. The children's parents assumed their children were learning what they needed to learn. I feel awful for these children and for their parents. The system should have had alarm bells ringing for these school districts, but hey the powerful Chicago unions made sure nothing ever changed, except to get more money for the teachers and to lighten their workload.
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So who made your processor for you?
 
AProudLefty said:
Christian schools are not paid for by tax dollars.

* Edited by me.
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Wasn't that the point of Republican school vouchers?

BTW, I took a survey on Sybil.

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T. A. Gardner said:
Balance, no. Equivalence, yes.
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You are the one who said this:

T. A. Gardner said:
If on the other hand, children can only attend a government run public school, they are open to abuse and indoctrination. But the worse part of that is it becomes universal rather than isolated cases.
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That implies that there are two "hands". Two extreme ends. Therefore the balance is needed.

Can't believe I have to educate an intelligent person on something so simple.
 
AProudLefty said:
You are the one who said this:



That implies that there are two "hands". Two extreme ends. Therefore the balance is needed.

Can't believe I have to educate an intelligent person on something so simple.
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I posed a question. What I stated is actually the case in countries like Germany, for example. Alternatives to state run schools are limited, those that exist have to meet the same curricula and standards so they might as well be state run, and homeschooling is forbidden. So, my example is hardly "extreme."
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I posed a question. What I stated is actually the case in countries like Germany, for example. Alternatives to state run schools are limited, those that exist have to meet the same curricula and standards so they might as well be state run, and homeschooling is forbidden. So, my example is hardly "extreme."
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Do you agree that parents should have free reign to home school their children?
 
AProudLefty said:
Do you agree that parents should have free reign to home school their children?
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"Free reign?" No. Should they be allowed to? Yes. Should the same standards be applied? Only to a limited degree.

For example, here in Arizona the science taught in public schools through about 8th grade is almost entirely biology. If an alternate school or home schooler chooses to teach other sciences instead of that, I see ZERO problem with that.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
"Free reign?" No. Should they be allowed to? Yes. Should the same standards be applied? Only to a limited degree.

For example, here in Arizona the science taught in public schools through about 8th grade is almost entirely biology. If an alternate school or home schooler chooses to teach other sciences instead of that, I see ZERO problem with that.
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Duh. Earth Science is only partial biology, but biology is fundamental to understanding the most significant feature of Earth compared to the rest of the Solar System.
 
IBDaMann said:
Fair enough. Which is preferable?

1. Using tax dollars to compulsorily herd children into defenselessness zones for maximum active-shooter convenience while the children are systematically programmed by a leftist political curriculum to be woke, undereducated, scientifically illiterate and mathematically incompetent HATERS

*or*

2. Give parents full control of their children's education while allowing the children to be educated in the safety and convenience of their own homes without imposing any tax burden on We the People and without supporting any teachers unions that serve no other purpose than to snuff the life out of any community education program.


Thoughts?
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Homeschooling is terrible. It is passing on the teaching of one or 2 people. It is not teaching how to think, but what to think. When you go to school, you still come home. That means you get a solid and approved education and you can gobble up all the propaganda your parents want to feed you. It eliminates the social aspects too. Making friends, meeting people far outside your narrow family thoughts. It widens you.
Parent forcing young kids to stay under their power and not go to school is cruelty.
Our education system was once the best in the world. In many places, it still is.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Duh. Earth Science is only partial biology, but biology is fundamental to understanding the most significant feature of Earth compared to the rest of the Solar System.
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Terry, you have done well in today's brain stem therapy. Although your post is as brain-dead as you are, we didn't have to defibrillate or perform emergency surgery or anything like that. So it was a good day.
 
Nordberg said:
Homeschooling is terrible. It is passing on the teaching of one or 2 people. It is not teaching how to think, but what to think. When you go to school, you still come home. That means you get a solid and approved education and you can gobble up all the propaganda your parents want to feed you. It eliminates the social aspects too. Making friends, meeting people far outside your narrow family thoughts. It widens you.
Parent forcing young kids to stay under their power and not go to school is cruelty.
Our education system was once the best in the world. In many places, it still is.
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There are pros and cons. Parents worried about their kids being shot, raped or drugged have a valid reason to avoid some public schools. I have neighbors who homeschool. They form groups with other parents for shared schooling and field trips.

FWIW, I support public education and think more Federal money than the current 8% should be focused upon public education.


Results count:
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=91
In 2016, parents of homeschooled students were asked to identify the most important reason for choosing to homeschool their child. The reason for choosing homeschooling that was reported as the most important by the highest percentage of homeschooled students’ parents was a concern about school environment, such as safety, drugs, or negative peer pressure (34 percent). The two other reasons for homeschooling frequently cited as most important by students’ parents were dissatisfaction with the academic instruction at their schools (17 percent) and a desire to provide religious instruction (16 percent).
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https://www.educationandbehavior.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Evidence-for-Homeschooling.pdf
Numerous studies demonstrate that homeschooled students obtain exceptionally high scores
on standardized academic achievement tests. For instance, one nationwide study analyzed data
from 1,952 homeschooled students across the country and found that the students scored, on
average, in the 80th percentile or higher in every test category (i.e., reading, listening, language,
math, science, social studies, study skills, etc.).41 The national mean for these standardized tests, by
contrast, is the 50th percentile.
Numerous other studies have comparable results.42 For example, two other national studies
also found that homeschooled students excel academically. A nationwide study of 20,760
homeschooled students in grade levels K-12 found the median standardized test scores to be in the
70th to 80th percentile.43 Similarly, a nationwide study of homeschooled students in Canada found
that the students’ average standardized test scores were in the 76th to 84th percentile.44...

...A nationwide study of homeschooled adults found that – across every measure – these adults
were more likely to be involved in civic activities than same aged adults in the general population.
In fact, 71% of adults who had been homeschooled were involved in an ongoing community service
activity (e.g., coaching a sports team, volunteering at school, or working with a neighborhood
association) compared to only 37% of the general U.S. population.8...The empirical evidence is clear and decisive: private schoolers and home
schoolers are considerably more civically involved in the public square than
are public schoolers-even when the effects of differences in education,
income, and other related factors are removed from the equation. Indeed, we
have reason to believe that the organizations and practices involved in private
and home schooling in themselves tend to foster public participation in civic
affairs.
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https://www.thinkimpact.com/homeschooling-statistics/
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