Homosexuality is not a sin

Mina said:
Homosexuality, like many traits, appears to be based in a combination of genes and environmental factors. Twins studies have confirmed at least some genetic component.




Obviously, I didn't say they were. Did you interpret something I wrote to suggest that? If so, what, specifically?

My point of bringing up other species was simply to demonstrate how genes could be selected for even when those genes would encode some individuals to be infertile. The mere fact that genes can encode for a worker ant being unable to reproduce doesn't mean that gene won't be naturally selected for. Similarly, if there are genes that contribute to homosexuality, those could be naturally selected for if they enhanced survival of kin.



It's a behavior that has a genetic component, according to various studies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...mponent/afb46154-faa6-45ec-9e7f-cbde5d5a1788/

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26572-largest-study-of-gay-brothers-homes-in-on-gay-genes/



That's consistent with the understanding of evolution that people are given in grade school. Unfortunately, many never actually get any education in the topic after that point, so they remain mired in a sixth-grade-level understanding of how it works. From a natural selection perspective, what matters is whether the gene itself becomes more common in the next generation, not whether any given individual breeds. If that weren't the case, species with infertile classes of individuals could never have evolved. Obviously.

Assuming you're one of those who didn't get past elementary-school-level biology instruction, this can get you started:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusive_fitness




I understand that you feel repeating something often enough will make it true. However, the science doesn't care about your feelings.



My close relatives share many of my genes. If I help them breed successfully, those genes show up in the next generation, just as if I'd bred. From the perspective of natural selection, that is just as legitimate a way that a gene can get itself passed on.




Of course you can. This is Biology 101 material. See "inclusive fitness" link above.




Did I say something to make you believe I was arguing they were? If so, what, specifically?




Did I say something to make you believe I was arguing they were? If so, what, specifically?



Still wrong, but, yes, your repetition has underscored just how strong your emotions are on this topic. Unfortunately for you, strong emotions don't void scientific fact.



That is, of course, not true. For example, a homosexual man can have his male partner help him masturbate into a tube, and then that can be injected into a woman. At no point was that man anything other than a homosexual, and yet he could reproduce. Similarly, a lesbian woman can have her female partner inject a syringe full of sperm into her, which is a homosexual act but can result in reproduction.
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There is no 'homosexual' gene. It is not a homosexual act to impregnate a women with a man's sperm.
 
Into the Night said:
There is no 'homosexual' gene
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The argument isn't that there's a particular gene that causes homosexuality. Rather, the argument is that homosexuality can have a genetic component, which actually comes from a number of different genes.

It is not a homosexual act to impregnate a women with a man's sperm.
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Nobody suggested it was. The argument is that homosexuals can, in fact, reproduce.
 
BartenderElite said:
New to genetics?
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Delusional....and, IMHO, a paranoid schizophrenic too. He truly believes his other accounts are different people.

Have you clicked on the links of his sock's signatures? Truly insightful view into an average+ but distorted mind. When Sybil first began posting here, I immediately picked up they were all closely connected but it took a few days to figure out they were all the same person. His own fake forum in the links confirmed everything.

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Mina said:
The argument isn't that there's a particular gene that causes homosexuality. Rather, the argument is that homosexuality can have a genetic component, which actually comes from a number of different genes.
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Homosexuality is not genetic.

The first study you provided me wasn't viewable due to my ad blocker.

The second study you provided me was bogus and did not even conclude that homosexuality was genetic.

RE: the whole slew of other studies that you provided me, I didn't even bother to waste my time looking at them because you were unable to provide me with, in your own words, the findings of those studies.

Mina said:
Nobody suggested it was.
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Are you now calling yourself a nobody?

Mina said:
The argument is that homosexuals can, in fact, reproduce.
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Reproduction is impossible via homosexuality.

Masturbation is not homosexuality.
Artificial insemination is not homosexuality.

In English, words have specific meanings. I do not speak Liberal.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Delusional....and, IMHO, a paranoid schizophrenic too. He truly believes his other accounts are different people.

Have you clicked on the links of his sock's signatures? Truly insightful view into an average+ but distorted mind. When Sybil first began posting here, I immediately picked up they were all closely connected but it took a few days to figure out they were all the same person. His own fake forum in the links confirmed everything.

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The person who is delusional here is you. You keep seeing sock people where none exist. You keep seeing a girl named Sybil where none exists.
 
Defender of Honor said:
Nothing more fun than telling a flaming homophobe
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Where are all of these "flaming homophobes"?? Who around here has an irrational fear of same sex relations?

You DO know that's what the word means, right?
Homophobia: Derives from the Greek words 'homos' (meaning "the same") and 'phobos' (meaning "fear" or "panic").

Or are you just using it as a buzzword insult, as liberals typically do?
 
gfm7175 said:
Homosexuality is not genetic.
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As you now know, from a slew of studies I shared, genetics are, in fact, a significant factor. I understand that hurts your feelings, and so you're going to simply refuse to believe any of them. But you know better, deep down.

In English, words have specific meanings.
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Yes. Is it not your first language? Your struggles in this thread would make a lot more sense if you're dealing with the challenge of a language where you haven't yet developed much proficiency.
 
Mina said:
As you now know, from a slew of studies I shared, genetics are, in fact, a significant factor.
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Repetition.

Mina said:
I understand that hurts your feelings, and so you're going to simply refuse to believe any of them. But you know better, deep down.
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Projection.

Mina said:
Yes. Is it not your first language? Your struggles in this thread would make a lot more sense if you're dealing with the challenge of a language where you haven't yet developed much proficiency.
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Projection.
 
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