House Porn

I hear you. I could be happy in most any rural area but the wife wants beachfront property with a view of mountains. :rolleyes:

Dude, you nailed it.When I mentioned to my wife that it might be time to move I think she thinks we're moving to her old home. She grew up in NoCal...in a town in Marin County that had Mountain and Ocean views and I think she's shooting down everything I suggest because she wants to go home.

That ain't happening but I think she wants it to.
 
Arkansas. I don't have anything against Missouri I just have friends in Arkansas.

Makes sense. Unfortunately a lot of southern Missouri has gotten touristy, what with Table Rock, Pomme de Terre, Taneycomo, and of course Branson. Lake of the Ozarks is a nightmare in the summer. Away from that stuff, the Ozarks are spectacular. Why doesn't your wife favor moving there? Too far away from the madd(en)ing crowds?
 
It's how I grew up, Owl.

I don't get bored in the city. I die of boredom every place else.

My biggest gripe is the replacement of neon with LEDs. I loved neon.

They don't use neon in city lights any more? What about those orangey sodium vapor street lights? Always hated them.
 
They may be friendlier to each other, EE, but they sure as hell aren't people. They're devolved trumpazee mutants.

From the look of things so far we have total losers in office thanks to brain dead neanderthal's who believe the rich is an unending supply of money.
 
Ultimately the market decides. No realtor can force someone to buy a house against their will. As I stated, not a lot surprises me with pricing. Seeing a 1,600 sq.ft. home sell for $4.1m did.

The market out here in DFW is crazy. the markup in most areas is around 20% above list price. It's making it near impossible for me to buy a home on my FHA application because of the appraisal commitment.
 
The market out here in DFW is crazy. the markup in most areas is around 20% above list price. It's making it near impossible for me to buy a home on my FHA application because of the appraisal commitment.

Working in (commercial) real estate this is my area of interest/passion and having family in DFW I keep my eyes on what's happening there from a distance. On one hand you have this tremendous growth because you have a business friendly environment, low taxes and compared to the coasts a lower cost of living. But all those people migrating to your area can raise housing costs if you don't meet the demand. And Texas is far more friendly to development than many coastal states but it's hard to keep NIMBYism out. And when NIMBYism takes over prices rise and if you don't already own your home then you are sh*t out of luck.

Good luck man, hope you can find something you like within your budget.
 
Working in (commercial) real estate this is my area of interest/passion and having family in DFW I keep my eyes on what's happening there from a distance. On one hand you have this tremendous growth because you have a business friendly environment, low taxes and compared to the coasts a lower cost of living. But all those people migrating to your area can raise housing costs if you don't meet the demand. And Texas is far more friendly to development than many coastal states but it's hard to keep NIMBYism out. And when NIMBYism takes over prices rise and if you don't already own your home then you are sh*t out of luck.

Good luck man, hope you can find something you like within your budget.

there's plenty of houses in my budget, as far as list price goes. The problem comes when trying to bid competitively using FHA or VA loan, you have to add around 20%+ to the list price if you want to stand a chance, then if you overbid on the appraised price, you have to account for the extra 20 to 25k in your closing costs........I certainly don't have that extra cash laying around
 
there's plenty of houses in my budget, as far as list price goes. The problem comes when trying to bid competitively using FHA or VA loan, you have to add around 20%+ to the list price if you want to stand a chance, then if you overbid on the appraised price, you have to account for the extra 20 to 25k in your closing costs........I certainly don't have that extra cash laying around

Gotcha. Damn, that's rough.
 
Makes sense. Unfortunately a lot of southern Missouri has gotten touristy, what with Table Rock, Pomme de Terre, Taneycomo, and of course Branson. Lake of the Ozarks is a nightmare in the summer. Away from that stuff, the Ozarks are spectacular. Why doesn't your wife favor moving there? Too far away from the madd(en)ing crowds?

I hate to put it this way because it's way too simplistic but basically she's a snob. She wants oceanfront and very expensive oceanfront at that. She wants status but I really don't want to tie up a lot of money in our next house.
 
I hate to put it this way because it's way too simplistic but basically she's a snob. She wants oceanfront and very expensive oceanfront at that. She wants status but I really don't want to tie up a lot of money in our next house.

I see. That's a concept that's puzzling to me but to each their own. Living in a beautiful and snug log cabin on an Ozark mountain, surrounded by miles of forest and wildlife sounds a lot more appealing. Good luck, hope you can find a compromise that works for you.

ETA: That's what we had to do here. I was fine with a smaller place as long as it had some acreage, but he wanted a larger house. His reasoning was that the winters are long and we'd often be cooped up inside. So he bumped up the upper limit we were willing to pay in the search thingie on realtor.com, and found this place. We have mountains just to our west, and to the east a wide view of Lake Superior. We're not right ON the lake; the house is on a bluff about half mile away... all the benefits of the view without the racket of the surf during storms, and no erosion problems either. The "mountains" are more like hills though, compared to the kind your wife is thinking of. We do have downhill skiing here though, as well as Nordic.
 
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Once you leave the red state wilderness, real estate gets expensive.
Civilized people actually want to live there.
The real estate prices prove it.

One cable TV show that I really hate is the one where young couples are trying to find a house that's worth two or three times what they're got a budget for.
In the end, they settle for something that they really don't like at all but pretend to be happy about it.
Being young definitely has some good features, but some things, mostly related to money, often really suck.




4 million for 1600 sq ft, no property, single story?



You could buy the whole village here.
 
I see. That's a concept that's puzzling to me but to each their own. Living in a beautiful and snug log cabin on an Ozark mountain, surrounded by miles of forest and wildlife sounds a lot more appealing.

Do you have female friends, Owl, who like to have their hair done, wear makeup, wear dresses and jewelry and heels, and enjoy urban night life?
When it comes to people with totally different lifestyle preferences but yet share certain political ideologies, then we're just discussing political issues, not a culture war.

We've agreed on at least some ideological principles, despite a love of animals and good food being our only similar personal traits.

Culture and politics, then, can be regarded separately. It can be done because we've done it..
But I don't think that happens much in America.

I think our American polarization is less about evolving political trends and more about a culture war.
Politics change, but culture wars tend to last forever.
Would you agree with any of this?
 
Do you have female friends, Owl, who like to have their hair done, wear makeup, wear dresses and jewelry and heels, and enjoy urban night life?
When it comes to people with totally different lifestyle preferences but yet share certain political ideologies, then we're just discussing political issues, not a culture war.

I've known ladies like that, yes, but I can't say that we're close friends. Nothing really in common: they're girly-girls and I'm more of a tomboy who'd rather be mucking around in the woods, fishing, or playing in the garden dirt. :~)

We had neighbors who aren't here anymore. He grew up here, owned a log cabin down the road and a hundred acres or more of timberland. She grew up in urban Phoenix and was his 2nd wife. She HATED it here. They compromised by living half the year (winter) in Arizona, and summers (April - Oct.) here. The pandemic apparently ended that; they sold the property and live FT in Arizona now. Felt sorry for her a couple years ago when another neighbor had a bonfire and cookout and invited everyone. Mrs. Urban came with her husband and her elderly mom, who was visiting them. Both ladies were dressed beautifully in attractive dressy clothing, jewelry, lovely nails, makeup, stylish hair. The rest of us wore plaid and jeans. :laugh:


We've agreed on at least some ideological principles, despite a love of animals and good food being our only similar personal traits.

Culture and politics, then, can be regarded separately. It can be done because we've done it..
But I don't think that happens much in America.

I think our American polarization is less about evolving political trends and more about a culture war.
Politics change, but culture wars tend to last forever.
Would you agree with any of this?

Hmm, I do agree that there is a type of culture war but not on its form. There is definitely a city vs rural divide but I don't think it's that because when more conservative rural ppl think of the city, they think of urban blacks, poverty, crime. I'm not conservative myself but that is kind of the mental picture I have of the only city I've really known -- St. Louis. I have little in common with city dwellers except that I tend to share their POV as a lefty. They, in turn, have little in common with me, or with rural farmers, retirees, blue collar folks, etc. Is that what you mean?

What puzzled me about Guille's wife is her status symbol desires, not the fact that she would prefer city living over his desire to live in the Ozarks. He said she wants beachfront property for the status, not so much for the nightlife.
 
I'm amused that you don't find being in places like that soul-crushing. Here I can step outside on a clear night to photograph planets, stars, the aurora. The only human sound is my own breathing. It's not for everyone, nor is living in a busy city for everyone. Viva la difference!

To some extent, I personally feel like it comes down to location.

I would choose a Manhattan penthouse over a farmhouse in rural Kansas. And I do not even really like living in cities.

But the sweet spot for me is a smallish university town with plenty of access to culture and education, without the traffic, congestion, and inconvenience of a large urban area.
 
I've known ladies like that, yes, but I can't say that we're close friends. Nothing really in common: they're girly-girls and I'm more of a tomboy who'd rather be mucking around in the woods, fishing, or playing in the garden dirt. :~)

We had neighbors who aren't here anymore. He grew up here, owned a log cabin down the road and a hundred acres or more of timberland. She grew up in urban Phoenix and was his 2nd wife. She HATED it here. They compromised by living half the year (winter) in Arizona, and summers (April - Oct.) here. The pandemic apparently ended that; they sold the property and live FT in Arizona now. Felt sorry for her a couple years ago when another neighbor had a bonfire and cookout and invited everyone. Mrs. Urban came with her husband and her elderly mom, who was visiting them. Both ladies were dressed beautifully in attractive dressy clothing, jewelry, lovely nails, makeup, stylish hair. The rest of us wore plaid and jeans. :laugh:




Hmm, I do agree that there is a type of culture war but not on its form. There is definitely a city vs rural divide but I don't think it's that because when more conservative rural ppl think of the city, they think of urban blacks, poverty, crime. I'm not conservative myself but that is kind of the mental picture I have of the only city I've really known -- St. Louis. I have little in common with city dwellers except that I tend to share their POV as a lefty. They, in turn, have little in common with me, or with rural farmers, retirees, blue collar folks, etc. Is that what you mean?

What puzzled me about Guille's wife is her status symbol desires, not the fact that she would prefer city living over his desire to live in the Ozarks. He said she wants beachfront property for the status, not so much for the nightlife.

I have an Aunt that lives on a farm surrounded by Amish people in BFE Ohio. She's a NPR loving, Jesus hating leftist. I stayed with her once and was out my mind. I couldn't sleep because it was so quiet and all these damn animals were around. I was scared. She thought it was the funniest thing ever, freaking City boy lost and clueless on a farm.

My Aunt is a wiz on that farm. She grows her stuff, takes it to town to sell and does well for herself. And she loves it. I couldn't imagine for one second living her life. And not that she has anything against big cities but she has zero desire to live in one. Different strokes for different folks.
 
What puzzled me about Guille's wife is her status symbol desires, not the fact that she would prefer city living over his desire to live in the Ozarks. He said she wants beachfront property for the status, not so much for the nightlife.

My city-dwelling family had a summer home on the shore when I was young, and my parents converted it to a year round home when they retired.
When I inherited it, I moved there with my wife as well--kids were in college or military--and lived there for about twenty years.
We moved back to city life when I got too old to maintain the big place.
Sold it for a LOT, but it had been in the family since 1950 so it was sad as well.

I liked the beach, but I was a prisoner in my own home due to summer traffic.
No cabs, no subway, no busses--if you don't want to drive in bumper to bumper traffic, you stay home.
I liked to walk the beach with my dog--we'd go for miles--but I was never one to sit on a blanket and fry myself.
Instead, I'd sit on my deck, listen to jazz or the ballgame, and drink. Seemed like a good idea at the time, I guess.

The shore is nice. The city is nice. The woods, I'm afraid, would probably not be for me.
Not noisy enough, maybe. And lots of allergens.
 
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