How Disgusting Are Big Corporations?

[Into the Night]

In a sense, when you are not being paid by a company, they still own and control you. You are working for them for free.

No.

You are an employee, selling your skills to your customer, your employer. You can leave at any time. Slavery is illegal in the United States.

 

[Into the Night]

Hello Nordberg,



Corporations want to be treated as people, but they treat real people as possessions.

If real people acted like corporations, their victims often seek court-mandated restraining orders.

Corporations ARE people. And people DO have court mandated restraining orders placed against them.

 

[Into the Night]

In no way do I understand the corporations are people concept.

Can a corporation exist without any people in it? No. Someone owns that corporation, or it is made up of several owners. The articles of incorporation are written by actual people. Filing them and paying the filing fees are actual people. Corporations cannot exist in a vacuum.

Except it gives the corporations and their execs undeserved powers that continue decade after decade.

Who are YOU to decide what is 'undeserved'? You are not the king.

They lobby and bribe for something.

If a government officer accepts such a bribe and passes laws to benefit that corporation as a result of that bribe, that is illegal. It should be treated as such.

The house and senate change and die off.

Irrelevant.

The lobbying and bribing continue.

The same thing applies.

Eventually, they slip in what they wanted all along.

At that moment, the government officer that 'slipped it in' is breaking the law.

That is what allowed Gramm to slip the Banking deregulation laws in which gave us a 2nd great depression to fight off.

No, the Fed did that one!

 

[Into the Night]

all donations capped at 500 bucks, and cannot be from companies or organizations. done. elections reformed.

This certainly would stop a lot of the corruption.

 

[Gonzomin]

They are. They are also made up of people. They also enjoy all the rights of those people that make them up.

Individually they have those rights, Collectively they do not, You really cannot understand the difference. Corporations are not people.

 

[gfm7175]

Individually they have those rights, Collectively they do not, You really cannot understand the difference. Corporations are not people.

Yes, they are.

 

[Into the Night]

Individually they have those rights, Collectively they do not, You really cannot understand the difference. Corporations are not people.

Collectively they have those rights as well. Nothing changes. No corporation exists in a vacuum.

 

[Scut Farkus]

Yes, they are.

no they aren't man.

 

[Into the Night]

no they aren't man.

What corporation has ever been formed without people to form it?
If no one is in a corporation, what activity does it pursue?

 

[Scut Farkus]

What corporation has ever been formed without people to form it?
If no one is in a corporation, what activity does it pursue?

they're still not people. they're legal structures to protect people from personal responsibility.

 

[Mason Michaels]

 

[Into the Night]

they're still not people. they're legal structures to protect people from personal responsibility.

It takes people to form those legal structures. It takes people to run them. Even your own definition has 'people' in it. Those people have rights.

 

[Scut Farkus]

It takes people to form those legal structures. It takes people to run them. Even your own definition has 'people' in it. Those people have rights.

thats so stupid. it takes people to build a building, that doesn't mean buildings are people. you're smarter than this. I remember my neocon zealot phase. I was wrong then.

 

[Into the Night]

thats so stupid. it takes people to build a building, that doesn't mean buildings are people.

A very nice try, but a false equivalence. Buildings do not need people to be in them or even occupy them. Corporations do (or the corporation simply ceases to exist). Yes, it's still on the records, but with no further taxes being paid, etc., it won't be on the records long!

you're smarter than this. I remember my neocon zealot phase. I was wrong then.

Don't count me stupid just yet! I still welcome your counter-arguments!

 

[Scut Farkus]

A very nice try, but a false equivalence. Buildings do not need people to be in them or even occupy them. Corporations do (or the corporation simply ceases to exist). Yes, it's still on the records, but with no further taxes being paid, etc., it won't be on the records long!

Don't count me stupid just yet! I still welcome your counter-arguments!

you're still an idiot on this one dude. the false equivalence is corporation = person.

 

[Scut Farkus]

being a corporation means never having to say you're sorry.

 

[Into the Night]

you're still an idiot on this one dude. the false equivalence is corporation = person.

No. I am saying corporations are made up of people. They can't exist without people. Those people have rights.

 

[Into the Night]

being a corporation means never having to say you're sorry.

According to you, corporations don't have the ability to say anything. Paradox. Which is it, dude?

Why would any director or employee of any corporation be able to do this?

 

[Scut Farkus]

According to you, corporations don't have the ability to say anything. Paradox. Which is it, dude?

Why would any director or employee of any corporation be able to do this?

newspapers arent people either. neither are radios.

 

[Into the Night]

newspapers arent people either. neither are radios.

Redirection fallacy. We aren't talking about newspapers or radios.