How Disgusting Are Big Corporations?
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Mason Melchizedek
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Read The Grapes of Wrath
Scut Farkus
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these are metaphors.
The United States Supreme Court recently ruled that corporations are persons for purposes of constitutional protections under the First Amendment. Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 558 U.S. 50 (2010). The decision has generated much criticism, some of it directed at the court, but most at corporations generally. Corporations have gotten out of control: like the fictional Triffids that were cultivated to produce edible oil, they began to infest everything. John Wyndham, The Day of the Triffids (1951).
A corporation is an artificial person. It is a creature of statute; and, unlike a natural person, a corporation can, potentially, exist indefinitely. Once formed, a corporation has all the rights and privileges of a natural person, except voting (which it does nevertheless with its checkbook), or appear in federal courts except by attorney; for, unlike a natural person, a corporation may only act through its officers, directors and agents. A corporation, like a natural person, may be licensed to do business in a state other than its domicile. Like a natural person, a corporation may be held accountable for it acts, and even convicted of crimes. Corporations have been around for some time. Our cities and many towns are municipal corporations through which local government is exercised.
The problem is not with corporations, but those who would abuse its franchise, and much that is wrong with our country is due to such misuse. The pernicious influence of corporate corruption is ubiquitous, even in the halls of Congress where their lobbyists peddle their influence. It is their doing that much of the tax code is so unfairly balanced to the point of subsidization of corporate business, and it is their agenda that sponsors much of the so-called "reform" legislation that has been recently enacted. It is like a cancer that has spread into every cell of our social structure and civic institutions to the detriment of individual rights and liberties.
Is there any remedy? The courthouse doors have been all but closed for individual legal redress; and there are even efforts being made to undermine the independence of the federal judiciary which threatens to subvert the constitutional checks and balances to the excesses of government. Therefore, it will have to be the responsibility of every citizen to be vigilant in overseeing their representatives and holding them accountable lest our democracy turn into a corporate tyranny.
A corporation is an artificial person. It is a creature of statute; and, unlike a natural person, a corporation can, potentially, exist indefinitely. Once formed, a corporation has all the rights and privileges of a natural person, except voting (which it does nevertheless with its checkbook), or appear in federal courts except by attorney; for, unlike a natural person, a corporation may only act through its officers, directors and agents. A corporation, like a natural person, may be licensed to do business in a state other than its domicile. Like a natural person, a corporation may be held accountable for it acts, and even convicted of crimes. Corporations have been around for some time. Our cities and many towns are municipal corporations through which local government is exercised.
The problem is not with corporations, but those who would abuse its franchise, and much that is wrong with our country is due to such misuse. The pernicious influence of corporate corruption is ubiquitous, even in the halls of Congress where their lobbyists peddle their influence. It is their doing that much of the tax code is so unfairly balanced to the point of subsidization of corporate business, and it is their agenda that sponsors much of the so-called "reform" legislation that has been recently enacted. It is like a cancer that has spread into every cell of our social structure and civic institutions to the detriment of individual rights and liberties.
Is there any remedy? The courthouse doors have been all but closed for individual legal redress; and there are even efforts being made to undermine the independence of the federal judiciary which threatens to subvert the constitutional checks and balances to the excesses of government. Therefore, it will have to be the responsibility of every citizen to be vigilant in overseeing their representatives and holding them accountable lest our democracy turn into a corporate tyranny.
Scut Farkus
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yeah. that citizens united was a shit decision that has allowed complete state capture. it's corporatism. aka actual fascism.
gfm7175
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So, if corporations are not people (your argument #1), then how do corporations have the ability to apologize (your argument #2)?
Those two arguments form a paradox. This paradox must be cleared for rational argumentation to continue...
gfm7175
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What does The Grapes of Wrath have to do with this discussion?
Into the Night
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What about it?
Into the Night
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No, these are redirections. Meaningless.
Into the Night
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Corporations are not fascism. Redefinition fallacy.
Scut Farkus
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corporations and governmenment power unified in a monolith is fascism. misunderstanding fallacy.
Scut Farkus
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people say things over the airwaves, but radios are not people, just like hr reps say things for corporations, but corporations are not people.
Scut Farkus
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if corporations are people, why were they invented, when we already had people?
Into the Night
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Argument by repetition fallacy. Redirection fallacy. Corporations are not radios.
Into the Night
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Like any business, they are organizations of people.
Scut Farkus
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but not people.
there were people before corporations. so why did they devise corporate entities when people already existed? if they're the same thing it just be an illogical redundancy.
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gfm7175
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Here, you are reverting back to the same false equivalence fallacy that was addressed earlier.
Radios are not corporations. Corporations are not radios.
Corporations consist of HR reps? Are those HR reps not people?
Radios do not consist of people. They don't need people inside of them to function. Corporations, on the other hand, do consist of people and do need people inside of them to function.
Radios are not corporations. Corporations are not radios.
Continued irrational reasoning. You have yet to clear this paradox. It must be cleared in order for rational discussion to continue.
Corporations consist of HR reps? Are those HR reps not people?
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gfm7175
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People are people, no matter where they are located nor how they choose to organize themselves.
Yup, and then some people decided to organize themselves into corporations. That organization of people doesn't suddenly make persons into non-persons... How is time related to this discussion?
People are people, no matter how they decide to organize themselves. They don't suddenly become non-persons.
Scut Farkus
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yes people are people, but corporations are legal entities only and not people.
Scut Farkus
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not good enough. your arguments are prima facie retarded. and you still didnt explain why corporations were devised, when we clearly already had people.