How much has Obamacare saved the American people?

PostmodernProphet said:
sure.....Obama's economic record rivals Carter's as the worst in the last eighty years.........
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As a reminder, on Obama's watch:

No recessions started, we set a record for consecutive months of job creation, deficits fell by half, real incomes rose to an all-time high, poverty rates fell, we had one of the most epic stock market run-ups in history, home values rose, we reached the highest real GDP per capita in history, the dollar remained strong, etc.

As a further reminder, on Bush's watch:

Two recessions started, we set a record for the lowest percentage job creation over eight years, record surpluses were changed to record deficits, real income fell, poverty rates rose, we had one of the longest periods of net stock value decline in history, move values fell, we had the longest period of GDP decline since the Great Depression, the dollar weakened, etc.

So, which was worse?
 
Oneuli said:
As a reminder, on Obama's watch:
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the national debt doubled......unemployment was higher than when he was elected until the seventh year of his presidency.......we experienced the slowest recovery in US history........the GDP averaged 1.4%......worse than every other president in the last fifty years.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
your error is obvious.......you think that because Obama sucked less in his eighth year than his seventh, that he didn't actually suck in his eighth year.......
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No. If you reread, you'll see I made no comment at all about Obama's eighth year relative to his seventh. So, that's another error you've made. Would you care to try again?
 
Oneuli said:
No. If you reread, you'll see I made no comment at all about Obama's eighth year relative to his seventh. So, that's another error you've made. Would you care to try again?
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dance you silly twit, dance......I'm done making fun of you and your incompetent president.........
 
PostmodernProphet said:
the national debt doubled
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As it did under Bush, Reagan, and other presidents. However, a big difference between Bush and Obama is that the debt Obama ran up was largely because of inheriting massive negative momentum in the form of big deficits, whereas Bush inherited massive positive momentum in the form of a big surplus.

unemployment was higher than when he was elected until the seventh year of his presidency
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Here's a huge difference between liberals and conservatives. Generally speaking, liberals make some effort to base their arguments on true statements. Conservatives, instead, tend to just think "what would support my position if it were true," and then they claim it's true, without making any effort to check.

Here's the reality. In Bush's last month in office, the unemployment rate was 7.8%. It dipped back below that level in November 2012. As you presumably know, 2012 wasn't Obama's seventh year. It was his fourth. By his seventh year, the unemployment rate had gone as low as 5.0%. To put that in perspective, the lowest it ever went on Reagan's watch was 5.3%. And it went still lower after that.

Facts matter.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
no....I notice that you try to play games with semantics like "Oh, Obama was a lot better in 2016 than he was in 2011"..
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Who do you imagine you're quoting there? Do you notice how your arguments so frequently take the form of straw man attacks? Basically, you can't take on what I actually said, so instead you claim I said something you know I didn't say, just so you have something to contradict. Try harder.
 
Oneuli said:
Of all the morons here, you may be the easiest to troll. I suppose it's your insecurity.
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sad......I thought you actually believed what you were posting.......I had hoped to educate you......now you say it was all an act and you knew it was lies........
 
Loving91390 said:
Obama ruined our healthcare costs
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Were you aware that the rate of healthcare cost growth since Obamacare has been the lowest for a period of that length since records started being kept? No? Well, then, I'm glad for the opportunity to educate you. Check the numbers yourself, if you don't believe me.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
then you weren't trolling.
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What do you think trolling means? One can, obviously, troll in an honest way. For example, I can state things I truly believe, but without couching those statements in rhetorical bubble wrap to keep from upsetting the dummies. In fact, I can frame the statements in ways designed to get a rise out of the dummies without any deception on my part.

Generally, I take one of two approaches, based on who I'm discussing something with. If the person is either informed or intelligent, then I will frame my arguments in a manner meant to help the person keep his emotions in check, so that I get the best discussion I can out of him. After all, if he has something of value to offer, it would be a shame if I'd have learned something valuable if he'd been at his best, but instead I learn nothing because I pushed his buttons and got his worst. But if the person is neither informed nor intelligent, then there's no chance of me getting anything intellectually stimulating from the discussion, so I may as well push the buttons and enjoy watching the dummy come unglued. If you read through the thread, you should be able to spot which people fall in which category.
 
Oneuli said:
Were you aware that the rate of healthcare cost growth since Obamacare has been the lowest for a period of that length since records started being kept? No? Well, then, I'm glad for the opportunity to educate you. Check the numbers yourself, if you don't believe me.
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Not for us ! You need to stop lying !
 
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