How much has Obamacare saved the American people?

As a reminder, on Obama's watch:

No recessions started, we set a record for consecutive months of job creation, deficits fell by half, real incomes rose to an all-time high, poverty rates fell, we had one of the most epic stock market run-ups in history, home values rose, we reached the highest real GDP per capita in history, the dollar remained strong, etc.

On Obama's watch he had the lowest GDP on record of any President.

On Obama's watch we had the first record Trillion dollar deficits, four years, in American history.

On Obama's watch we had a record accumulation of debt amounting to almost ten trillion dollars.

On Obama's watch we had the most anemic recovery in modern history.

On Obama's watch, Democrats lost 63 house seats and 7 senate seats losing their majority in Congress.

There's much more, but these are the BIG highlights. Yet morons like you still think he was great. That's because you're a deceitful, dishonest dumbass.

As a further reminder, on Bush's watch:

Two recessions started, we set a record for the lowest percentage job creation over eight years, record surpluses were changed to record deficits, real income fell, poverty rates rose, we had one of the longest periods of net stock value decline in history, move values fell, we had the longest period of GDP decline since the Great Depression, the dollar weakened, etc.

Lie and lame; trying to pin the 2000 recession on Bush is dishonest, stupid and a lie.

As for the surpluses turning to deficits; can you name ANY wars in our history where we fought wars without deficits. Again, you are being a willful, dishonest and deceitful dumbass.

As for job creation; he had to deal with the Clinton Recession and 9-11. Both created conditions that would have been difficult to overcome. Pretending that they had anything to do with his policies is laughably stupid, dishonest and deceitful.

So, which was worse?

Your lying of course; no one does it with such pathological and willful abandon.

I'm not going to wallow in the circle of stupidity with you any longer on this thread. You're a liar and a boor.

BUT, I will continue the debate along these lines; what policies do Democrats support that reduces poverty, creates good paying jobs and balances the Federal budget?
 
Have you noticed that I provide facts and figures to underpin my detailed, substantive arguments, while you simply vomit up vague attacks, underpinned by nothing at all?

Your facts don't support your positions. You make exaggerated claims the data doesn't back up as I have clearly shown, you lying dishonest and deceitful dumbass.
 
Of all the morons here, you may be the easiest to troll. I suppose it's your insecurity.

IRONY; you calling anyone else a moron. But, at least you were honest enough to admit your goal here is merely to troll. That much is OBVIOUS. You are a sad and pathetic dishonest dumbass.
 
I do. But that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the opportunity to make stupid people weep in embarrassment.

You make yourself weep with embarrassment? Nah, you're too stupid to comprehend the obvious fact you're a dishonest, deceitful idiot. :laugh:
 
Were you aware that the rate of healthcare cost growth since Obamacare has been the lowest for a period of that length since records started being kept? No? Well, then, I'm glad for the opportunity to educate you. Check the numbers yourself, if you don't believe me.

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Not for us ! You need to stop lying !

Check the numbers yourself, if you don't believe me. There's a reason I provided a link to the data. Once you've confirmed that what I said is correct, you can come back and apologize for falsely claiming I'm lying.
 
Wrong willful idiot; I grow weary of wallowing in the never ending circle of stupidity with a dishonest dumbass. :laugh:

Awww, the dear little thing is having something of a snit. Here's a tip from someone much wiser than you: the secret is to take the energy you're tempted to spend on these tantrums, and instead spend it educating yourself. That will cut down on the frequency with which you humiliate yourself this way.

You're welcome.
 
On Obama's watch he had the lowest GDP on record of any President.

Actually no. GDP was never higher, in all of American history to that point, than it was on Obama's watch. I suspect you were trying to make some other point, rather than outright lying, but it's always hard to tell with you, so just let me know if you'd like to take another shot at that talking point.

On Obama's watch we had the first record Trillion dollar deficits, four years, in American history.

The first trillion-dollar deficit happened under Bush.

On Obama's watch we had a record accumulation of debt amounting to almost ten trillion dollars.

You could say of many presidents that we had a "record accumulation of debt," to that point. No president before the younger Bush had run up as much debt as he did. No president before Reagan ran up as much debt as he did. FDR and Wilson also set records. Because of how inflation works, it's not unusual to set a new record, in nominal terms, every few years.

On Obama's watch we had the most anemic recovery in modern history.

No. That would be the first of Reagan's recovery. It was so anemic that it died within a year.

Yet morons like you still think he was great

When have I ever claimed he was great? Be specific, please. If you're honest, you'll see I haven't said that. Instead, I simply pointed out how much money Obamacare saved the American people. That hurts your feelings, because you hate Obama and want to believe everything he did was bad. But the numbers are there. You can check them yourself to confirm that what I said is right.

Lie and lame; trying to pin the 2000 recession on Bush is dishonest, stupid and a lie.

There was no 2000 recession. You're confused. Read more.

As for the surpluses turning to deficits; can you name ANY wars in our history where we fought wars without deficits.

Not off the top of my head -- and that's one big reason that we should avoid wars of choice..... like Bush's hare-brained decision to conquer Iraq in a search for a pile of mythical WMDs. Bad decisions have bad consequences, including massive deficits.

Again, you are being a willful, dishonest and deceitful dumbass.

What dishonesty? What deception? Be specific, please. And keep in mind that "dishonest" doesn't mean "that which makes impotent right-wingers feel bad about themselves."

As for job creation; he had to deal with the Clinton Recession

There was no Clinton recession. Read more.


Yes, if he'd been able to prevent 9/11, we'd have been better off. Unfortunately, back when security professionals were running around with their hair on fire warning of a coming attack, Bush was taking a month-long holiday at his country estate. If he'd been a competent president, would he have stopped the attacks? We'll never know.

Your lying of course

What lying? Be specific, please: what is it that you think I've said that's a lie?

BUT, I will continue the debate along these lines

Agreed. Something cannot be continued until after it has been started, and since I've never seen you commit an act that could fairly be called debating, it is logically impossible for you to continue debating along these lines, or any lines.

what policies do Democrats support that reduces poverty

Expanded educational spending, improved access to health care, affirmative action, labor protections, regulations against predatory lending and similar schemes for preying on the poor, support for higher minimum wages, tighter enforcement of overtime laws, subsidized student loans, nutritional assistance for poor mothers and children, etc.

creates good paying jobs

Many of the same things listed above.

and balances the Federal budget? [/size]

Higher upper-class and corporate taxes, and less wasteful military spending.
 
Your facts don't support your positions.
Then why is it that nobody has been able to take issue with the way I've deployed the facts to support my positions? Instead of arguing why, for instance, it doesn't matter that we've had record-low healthcare inflation since Obamacare, the wingnuts here have mostly just stuck with generic personal attacks about me being a "deceptive dumbass"? It sure looks like you and your ilk are incapable of finding any holes in my argument.
 
But, at least you were honest enough to admit your goal here is merely to troll

I didn't admit that. You misread. In fact, I expressly made it clear that I have different goals depending on who I am debating with. You REALLY need to work on your reading comprehension. Is English your first language?
 
You make yourself weep with embarrassment? Nah, you're too stupid to comprehend the obvious fact you're a dishonest, deceitful idiot. :laugh:

Nope, it's not me who is made to weep. Here's a clue: one of the halfwits I reduce to blubbering just used an emoji that depicts tears. Can you guess who it is? Good luck!
 
Oneuli can't stop lying. She lacks the intelligence to comprehend the obvious. :laugh:

Can you identify any actual lie? Take it as a challenge. If I "can't stop lying," this should be a very easy challenge. All you need to do:

(1) Quote a specific claim I've made.
(2) Cite the evidence that makes it clear that claim is incorrect.

Got the balls to step up to the challenge?
 

Exactly. Now, as you can see, there's nothing in there saying that there is no room for truth. In fact, I find the most effective trolling is the honest kind. If I tried to troll you with a lie, it wouldn't get under your skin at all, because you'd spot it as a lie. In fact, you'd be happy to see such a post, because it would give you an angle to use. For example, if I argued the GDP growth rate during Obama's presidency was the highest in history, in an attempt to troll you, you'd just leap in with a slam-dunk illustration that I was wrong, and I'd come away looking stupid, ignorant, or dishonest. That would be an ineffective troll. If, on the other hand, I pointed out that the post-Obamacare rate of healthcare inflation was the lowest on record for a period of that length, that would be an effective troll, because that FACT would piss you off deeply --running so contrary to the Fox News feces you prefer to ingest. You wouldn't be happy to see that argument made, because you'd hate having such an inconvenient truth pointed out, and you'd know you had no way to counter it other than to try to distract with personal insults or subject changes. And that would send you into quite a tizzy. That's a good troll, and honesty is its very heart.
 
Check the numbers yourself, if you don't believe me. There's a reason I provided a link to the data. Once you've confirmed that what I said is correct, you can come back and apologize for falsely claiming I'm lying.


My healthcare costs went from $400 a month to $1350 a month .... Go fuck yourself !
 
My healthcare costs went from $400 a month to $1350 a month
There's no way for the rest of us to know whether you're lying, or whether you truthfully had such atypical personal experiences. But regardless of which it is, the record-low rate of healthcare inflation since Obamacare passed suggests most Americans are much better off than they would have been without that change. However, we would expect that even with such a large positive change, some individuals would wind up in a worse position. Few policies benefit everyone.
 
Actually no. GDP was never higher, in all of American history to that point, than it was on Obama's watch. I suspect you were trying to make some other point, rather than outright lying, but it's always hard to tell with you, so just let me know if you'd like to take another shot at that talking point.

GDP averaged 1.48% dumbass. You don't measure the economy under a President based on a single point in time unless you are a dishonest brain dead dumbfuck on steroids.

The first trillion-dollar deficit happened under Bush.

Wrong again you pathological lying dunce; it happened in 2009 under Obama's watch you moron.

You could say of many presidents that we had a "record accumulation of debt," to that point. No president before the younger Bush had run up as much debt as he did. No president before Reagan ran up as much debt as he did. FDR and Wilson also set records. Because of how inflation works, it's not unusual to set a new record, in nominal terms, every few years.

More brain dead bloviating to avoid the FACT that Obama has the distinction of having the highest accumulation of US debt in the history of this nation. Now amount of dimwitted flailing will change that FACT dumbfuck.

No. That would be the first of Reagan's recovery. It was so anemic that it died within a year.

Another asinine lie; Reagan's average GDP was 3.5%. Obama's was 1.48%. ANEMIC describes the Obama Presidency no matter how much you lie and flail asshat.

When have I ever claimed he was great? Be specific, please. If you're honest, you'll see I haven't said that. Instead, I simply pointed out how much money Obamacare saved the American people. That hurts your feelings, because you hate Obama and want to believe everything he did was bad. But the numbers are there. You can check them yourself to confirm that what I said is right.

I guess all this cheer leading about how NOT bad Obama was and how NOT costly ACA is isn't cheer leading then right you lying, dimwitted dunce? STFU, seriously.

There was no 2000 recession. You're confused. Read more.

You think the 2001 recession wasn't a result of what occurred in 1999? STFU you brain dead hack. That's like saying 9-11 wasn't the result of Clinton's foreign policy actions when he had the chance to take out OBL.

Not off the top of my head --

That is because there isn't any. The rest of your blather is consistent with the nonsense you bloviate and not worth repeating here.

What dishonesty? What deception? Be specific, please. And keep in mind that "dishonest" doesn't mean "that which makes impotent right-wingers feel bad about themselves."

See above you dishonest, deceitful hack.

There was no Clinton recession. Read more.

It became apparent in January 2000 that computer orders were going to decline. The shelf life of most computers is about two years. Companies had just bought all the equipment they would need. As a result, the stock market dropped in March 2000. As stock prices declined, so did the value of the dot.com companies and many went bankrupt.

The Federal Reserve ignored the markets and continued raising interest rates. The fed funds rate reached 6.5 percent by May 2000. Interest rates remained high when the economy needed low rates for cheap credit.


Yes, if he'd been able to prevent 9/11, we'd have been better off. Unfortunately, back when security professionals were running around with their hair on fire warning of a coming attack, Bush was taking a month-long holiday at his country estate. If he'd been a competent president, would he have stopped the attacks? We'll never know.

Clinton had the opportunity to take out OBL. He didn't take it. Then you engage in a familiar lie that somehow Bush was warned of an imminent attack. Why you resort to lying all the time? That was rhetorical. The reason is obvious. You're beliefs and claims are built on lies.

What lying? Be specific, please: what is it that you think I've said that's a lie?

See above.

Agreed. Something cannot be continued until after it has been started, and since I've never seen you commit an act that could fairly be called debating, it is logically impossible for you to continue debating along these lines, or any lines.

There you go lying again; you can't help yourself can you, you deceitful dishonest dumbfuck?

Expanded educational spending, improved access to health care, affirmative action, labor protections, regulations against predatory lending and similar schemes for preying on the poor, support for higher minimum wages, tighter enforcement of overtime laws, subsidized student loans, nutritional assistance for poor mothers and children, etc.

None of those have reduced poverty. In fact, since Johnson had declared the war on poverty, and the US has spent in excess of $21 trillion on that war, poverty has increased, not decreased.

I know, you stupidly think it is because of the Republicans. Dunce.

Many of the same things listed above.

Same answer as above.

Higher upper-class and corporate taxes, and less wasteful military spending.

None of those balanced a budget. But because you are a willful and dishonest dunce, you think we have had a revenue problem and not a SPENDING problem. That's because you're an idiot.
 
There's no way for the rest of us to know whether you're lying, or whether you truthfully had such atypical personal experiences. But regardless of which it is, the record-low rate of healthcare inflation since Obamacare passed suggests most Americans are much better off than they would have been without that change. However, we would expect that even with such a large positive change, some individuals would wind up in a worse position. Few policies benefit everyone.

You are either on welfare or Medicare ..... Otherwise you would know better !
 
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