How will Trump's presidency be remembered? Name three things.

[Damocles]

No it didn't. Not at all. It's the same in that it's a plan, but that's it. Trump didn't have a plan. His plan was to cede responsibility to governors. That's why we have a pandemic now.

All thanks to you.

LOL. Not thanks to me... that's just funny.

Anyway, the reality is: buyden already failed at pandemic and when called to the carpet cheated on the test and copied from the nearest leader repeating his plan after it was already implemented. No matter how many times you tell me that the other plan sucked it just means he copied a sucky answer.

 

[LV426]

Yet your beloved drunken grandpa told us that it was Xenophobia to even think about that ban and only recognized that the BAN was necessary in April... more than 3 months AFTER it was implemented.

It was xenophobic because it had 40,000 American exceptions, and it did nothing to stop travelers from China from going to another country that didn't have a ban on travel, and then coming to the US that way. At least 400,000 people did it that way since the start of the pandemic. None of them were tested or traced.

 

[LV426]

Now this is inane BS. Europe was upset because the ban hammer came down on travel from Europe without Consultation with them. They did not implement travel bans first like you pretend.

Right, Trump erratically and frantically tried to shut down travel, and didn't end up being able to do so! Remember those lines of panicked Americans at European airports? Then he started carving out countries he was friendly with, like the UK, which was one of the worst hit COVID countries in all of Europe.

For example: "Sitting at Atlanta airport after abandoning my flight to France late last night," tweeted reporter Jennifer Berry Hawes of Charleston, S.C.'s The Post and Courier.

Yeah, it was a fucking disaster that came too late to have any true effect. So I don't know why you think it's something to praise Trump over. You're literally saying what a disaster it was because it wasn't thought through, despite you saying earlier that Trump's been on top of this from the start. Obviously, he hasn't.

 

[LV426]

Which doesn't change that even buyden recognized it was necessary, 3 months later after that cat would have been long out of the bag.

Biden isn't President, wasn't President in April, and won't be President until January, so he has nothing to do with Trump's failed response on COVID.

 

[LV426]

Yet it still would have been worse if we waited until April like buyden wanted.

There wouldn't have been a pandemic to ban travel for if Biden was President because he would have used the playbook they used for Ebola and Zika and contained this thing before it had a chance to spread.

He would have taken this seriously in 2019, when POTUS was first briefed of it.

Travel bans and the like wouldn't have been necessary, not even a consideration because a Biden Administration wouldn't have tried to downplay the virus, and would have contained it early on, like what we did with Ebola and Zika 5-6 years ago.

 

[LV426]

I read the Tweets, hated them. But saying "Trump did this" doesn't change that buyden didn't have a plan until after Trump's plan, and his plan simply repeated Trump's actually implemented plan. It was inane.

Biden isn't President, wasn't President in January 2020, wasn't President in April, and won't be President until January 2021.

Biden has nothing to do with Trump's failure.

 

[LV426]

Just repeating that doesn't change that it is happening

You're the one repeating things, pal.

And what is happening is 100% the responsibility of the President, not the guy who was running for President in April.

Biden had nothing to do with the poor choices you and Trump made during this crisis. He doesn't hold elected office, and didn't hold elected office in April. He was in the position where he could stand and snipe at Trump's poor response because Trump's response was fucking poor.

But I find it interesting how you are trying your hardest to shift the conversation from Trump's failures to what candidate Biden was saying or doing in April, before he even had the Democratic nomination in hand. That's by design because you don't want to admit that Trump, and by extension you, have failed at everything. Everything.

Personally I have never liked Drumpf, everything I say is said even though I dislike him.

NOPE. NICE TRY. YOUR LIFEBOAT HAS BEEN BURNED. You get to own Trump now and forever. His baggage is your baggage to toil.

He will be gone one day, but the stink he left on you will last your lifetime.

 

[LV426]

LOL. Not thanks to me... that's just funny.

Anyway, the reality is: buyden already failed at pandemic and when called to the carpet cheated on the test and copied from the nearest leader repeating his plan after it was already implemented. No matter how many times you tell me that the other plan sucked it just means he copied a sucky answer.

What was Trump's plan? Seriously, what was it? And if it was such a good plan, how come 250,000+ people have died and 11.5M have been infected?

 

[dukkha]

1. best US economy ever pre-COVID ( wage gains across the board, household income up $6500, record low unemployment for minorities )

2. "v"-shaped recovery

3. two vaccines within a year!

 

[Sailor]

1. best US economy ever pre-COVID ( wage gains across the board, household income up $6500, record low unemployment for minorities )

2. "v"-shaped recovery

3. two vaccines within a year!

I would like to add to that:

A) Proved there is indeed a mental health crisis with Democrats.
B) Proved there is a testosterone shortage among Democrat males.
C) Proved that there is a severe lack of intelligence and education among most Democrats.

 

[dukkha]

It was xenophobic because it had 40,000 American exceptions, and it did nothing to stop travelers from China from going to another country that didn't have a ban on travel, and then coming to the US that way. At least 400,000 people did it that way since the start of the pandemic. None of them were tested or traced.

those were American dependents - did you want to leave them stuck in China

So you want tracing from other countries not banned that may have let China travels in before they came to the USA?
That is impossible to trace /do

 

[Damocles]

Biden isn't President, wasn't President in January 2020, wasn't President in April, and won't be President until January 2021.

Biden has nothing to do with Trump's failure.

Other than buyden copied Trump's answer to that pandemic test I would generally agree.

 

[LV426]

those were American dependents - did you want to leave them stuck in Chinao

So in your own lying, dishonest way you're trying to conflate the 40,000 American loopholes (virtually none of whom were tested, screened, or traced) with the 400,000 travelers who came from China by way of another country to circumvent the ban. Virtually none of those 400,000 people were tested, screened, or traced either.

So you want tracing from other countries not banned that may have let China travels in before they came to the USA?
That is impossible to trace /do

No, it's not. South Korea did it. New Zealand did it. Australia did it. Vietnam did it. Taiwan did it.

You didn't want to do it because you didn't want to admit that this was serious because that would mean Trump dropped the ball and since you live vicariously through him, his failures are also your failures.

That's why you personally spent the first four months of this year downplaying the virus and lying about it.

 

[LV426]

LOL. Not thanks to me... that's just funny.

Yes, thanks to you. You had a personal hand in spreading COVID lies and misinformation on JPP. So you bear as much responsibility for this crisis as Trump. And you will continue to bear that responsibility even after Trump is gone.

No lifeboats.

 

[LV426]

Anyway, the reality is: buyden already failed at pandemic and when called to the carpet cheated on the test and copied from the nearest leader repeating his plan after it was already implemented. No matter how many times you tell me that the other plan sucked it just means he copied a sucky answer.

Biden isn't President, wasn't President in April, wasn't President in January, and won't be President until January next year.

So whatever Biden said or did has no bearing on Trump's poor response that you encouraged, supported, and defended since the start.

 

[LV426]

Other than buyden copied Trump's answer to that pandemic test I would generally agree.

You and Trump's answer to the pandemic was to downplay it, go golfing, and leave the responsibility up to the governors.

That is not Joe Biden's plan.

 

[LV426]

Other than buyden copied Trump's answer to that pandemic test I would generally agree.

Pretty sure Joe Biden's pandemic plan didn't include getting sick himself.

 

[LV426]

1. best US economy ever pre-COVID ( wage gains across the board, household income up $6500, record low unemployment for minorities )

This is a lie.

Before COVID, the economy entered a recession:

It's official: Recession began in February, ending longest U.S. expansion ever
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-states-recession-started-february/

Manufacturing was in a recession for all of 2019:

U.S. manufacturing was in a mild recession during 2019, a sore spot for the economy
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...mild-recession-during-2019-sore-spot-economy/

Trump's annual GDP growth has never topped Obama's best mark. Trump also created fewer jobs in his first three years than Obama did in his last three.

The economy is currently 11% behind because of the recession, and the size of the economy today is what it was back in 2018.

And what's the unemployment rate now? And Trump had nothing to do with lowering that rate and there are now currently 30M unemployed, with 25M of them filing continuing jobless claims, and the other 5M HAVE SIMPLY GIVEN UP LOOKING FOR WORK.

All he had to do was babysit Obama's economic recovery and he couldn't even do that.

Household income was up $6,500 only because of income gains at the top. Wages have remained stagnant for everyone else, except for those whose minimum wages were raised by over 20 states the last three years. Remind me, who opposes raising the minimum wage? Oh right, you do.

 

[LV426]

2. "v"-shaped recovery

Trump lost...you don't need to keep lying about the recovery.

This week, 700,000 people filed for unemployment.

We are not in any recovery state and we will see 200,000 new cases a day by December.

This is all because you couldn't control your lying earlier this year.

Also, if you go down 33%, then up 33%, you're still 11% behind because, math. I know math and counting are challenging things for Conservatives....

 

[LV426]

3. two vaccines within a year!

Nope. We're not getting a vaccine until at least the Spring of 2021, and even then, it's efficacy will be questionable because of how it was rushed through trials and approvals. it's just another "magic bullet", like hydroxy, like drinking bleach, like shining a lightbulb up your ass, etc.

Its being rushed because Conservatives don't want to admit that to control the spread, we can't wait for a vaccine, we must lock down, shelter-in-place, and mandate masks.

You don't want to do that because it would be an admission of failure on your part for not taking this virus seriously and lying about it from the start.

Even today, 11 months later, you're still lying about the virus.