How will Trump's presidency be remembered? Name three things.
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And as I said, Trump fucked up Obama's recovery starting with that dumb tax cut that started in January 2018.
Maybe in your haste to respond to me you didn't fully read the posts to which you are responding. Sloppy, sloppy work.
Since that tax cut, the economy has suffered.
The buck stops with him. He lied about COVID, tried to downplay it, offered terrible advice, disregarded scientists and experts, and personally spread it himself even after he was infected with it!
Most people do, and that was evident in the election we just fucking had that sees Trump down by more than 4 million votes and counting.
And we responded to those three things, so I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here other than digging yourself into a bigger hole with the lies and nonsense.
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I was going to say lying too, hell, he does it every time he opens his mouth
You can't win something that isn't part of the contest, son.
I'm not the one that thinks that a senile old man and a black whore makes a good combination.
you low IQ opioid addicts just embarrass yourself... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ine-s-funding-came-from-berlin-not-washington
Again, this talks about the research funding and ignores the fact that Warp Speed cut the red tape and that US Government pre-paid (per Warp Speed) so that they could manufacture doses before approval. The reality, any, and I do mean any, current vaccine that is already in stage 3 trials and ready to seek approval has benefitted from Warp Speed. Pre Warp Speed approval would have taken YEARS, that it hasn't is a benefit from Warp Speed...
Even, and I'm typing slowly so that liberals can understand, if they didn't take grants from the US government to fund research they still are benefitting from Warp Speed and from pre-payments made to manufacture the doses during testing (not grants and not "funding", they pre-paid for doses so that they could be ready and delivered immediately after approval).
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1. Wearing that ridiculous bleached animal on his head.
2. Wearing the same cheap, ill-fitting navy blue suit for four years running.
3. Making the sweetest and most gentle people in the world want to stick ice picks into his ugly face.
2. Wearing the same cheap, ill-fitting navy blue suit for four years running.
3. Making the sweetest and most gentle people in the world want to stick ice picks into his ugly face.
Joe Capitalist
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Those aren't accomplishments. They're pipe dreams.
If you think that's a good thing worthy of commendation, then your personal moral compass is broken beyond repair.
You're also incredibly fucking stupid, reckless, and irresponsible if you think that.
And what red tape, specifically? Most of those companies were developing a vaccine long before Trump tried to take credit for it in April.
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Did you read your own thread title? You asked for three things. You didn't ask for three accomplishments.
If you are too partisan to understand that in order to get the doses out to folks as quickly as possible they pre-paid multiple companies so that they would have some available immediately on approval, then you are an idiot.
And the considerable requirements that literally made that same process take up to 8 years is "what red tape". Read the post slowly so you can comprehend it all or must I speak using monosyllables for you to be able to understand?
Then perhaps I misunderstood you when you said this:
Generally speaking, is it a good or bad idea to manufacture millions of doses of a drug before it's approved?
What happens if it isn't approved? Then you just wasted all that money. This is what the Defense Production Act is for.
Sooo...no specific red tape you can mention, reference, or even talk about. Just ambiguously vague nonsense with a hint of arrogance.
Just wondering, was there a general outline of a vaccine plan and distribution of a vaccine in the pandemic playbook Trump had Bolton throw out that Obama left him?
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So... You literally are being deliberately stupid and pretending that you cannot understand that the normal approval process for a vaccine takes years and that Warp Speed changed it so it could be done in months rather than years? You are quite obviously being deliberately obtuse and are incapable of holding an adult conversation on this issue.
Here...
https://www.one.org/us/blog/covid-1...pfMgWEFCTdmW5PZMHVNclezPSS_PQxpBoC1FkQAvD_BwE
How long does it normally take to develop a vaccine?
Research and development of new vaccines can take an average of 10 years under normal circumstances, although some are developed faster as we’ve seen with previous outbreaks. Taking a vaccine from conception to the clinic is usually a long path and for good reason. It is essential to show that vaccines are safe and effective, so they undergo rigorous testing in multiple phases before they reach humans.
Right...so what sense does it make to rush production of a vaccine before it's been approved? That's some presumptive, dangerous shit right there. The Pfizer vaccine is only 90% effective under the testing they are going through now. Moderna is 94%. But those %'s can and will change as it's distributed because it hadn't been fully vetted or tested.
Trump waited too damn long to be a cheerleader. Warp Speed needed to happen in October 2019, when Trump was first briefed on this virus. Not April 2020, when the vaccine research was already happening and had been for 3-4 months, while the virus was raging uncontrolled in certain parts of the US.
Warp Speed is a failure. It's a branding attempt to make Trump look like he was taking this thing seriously, which we both know he wasn't. He literally said on recorded audio that he was downplaying it. That mixed messaging cost valuable time.
So...let's say that they rush production of this vaccine before it gets approved, then let's say that they rush the approval in haste, then frantically try to distribute this vaccine and the side effects for some people prove fatal, or its efficacy is much lower than what it was in the testing, and the vaccine simply doesn't work.
Should we then turn to Trump and hold him responsible for the vaccine's failure? Or should we hold you responsible? After all, you're propagandizing it here. How many billions were blown on this, and how do we claw those billions back?
You're assuming the vaccine will work. What if it doesn't? Who gets held accountable, then?
Man, you clearly are stupid. Most vaccines are less than 60% effective. 90% is AMAZINGLY effective. And no Trump didn't "wait too long" it was his actions and effort with Warp Speed that made this possible in the timeframe it happened within.
The reality is, you have no idea what you are talking about, don't know anything about this subject, and when folks even provide you information you refuse to actually try to understand it unless it fits your confirmation bias.
It's flat stupid to pretend that you have any place in this conversation at this time.