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While I appreciate the efforts of conservative’s Creation Science Museum making case that humans were created independently of biological evolution and frolicked with dinosaurs in the Garden of Eden, the following conceptual illustration of human evolution makes more sense to me.

Recent advances in science:

-Denisovan genes: In addition to recent findings that non-African humans having a few percent Neanderthal DNA genes, there appears to also be evidence that early homo-sapiens also inter-bred with Denisova hominins - some modern humans might have Denisovan genes.

-Our closest primate relative, the bonobo: Our closest living relatives may be the bonobo…not the chimpanzee.
https://phys.org/news/2017-04-bonobos-representation-common-ancestor-humans.html

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Bigdog said:
Rev. Al and Rev. Barber must be shitting bricks.
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I have no idea what your point is.

The case can easily be made that Republicans, and in particular conservatives, are more likely to be hostile to the science of evolution than others. Quite a few religions/denominations have come to terms with evolution, even if Republicans and conservative religions have not.

Religious Views on Evolution

Buddhism
Many Buddhists see no inherent conflict between their religious teachings and evolutionary theory.

Catholicism
The Catholic Church generally accepts evolutionary theory as the scientific explanation for the development of all life. However, this acceptance comes with the understanding that natural selection is a God-directed mechanism of biological development and that man’s soul is the divine creation of God.

United Methodist Church
In 2008, the church’s highest legislative body passed a resolution saying that “science’s descriptions of cosmological, geological, and biological evolution are not in conflict with [the church’s] theology.”

Southern Baptist Convention
In 1982, the Southern Baptist Convention issued a resolution rejecting the theory of evolution and stating that creation science “can be presented solely in terms of scientific evidence without any religious doctrines or concepts.”

United Church of Christ
The United Church of Christ finds evolutionary theory and Christian faith to be compatible, embracing evolution as a means “to see our faith in a new way.”

Judaism
While all of the major movements of American Judaism – including the Reconstructionist, Reform, Conservative and Orthodox branches – teach that God is the creator of the universe and all life, Jewish teachings generally do not find an inherent conflict between evolutionary theory and faith.

Islam
While the Koran teaches that Allah created human beings as they appear today, Islamic scholars and followers are divided on the theory of evolution. Theologically conservative Muslims who ascribe to literal interpretations of the Koran generally denounce the evolutionary argument for natural selection, whereas many theologically liberal Muslims believe that while man is divinely created, evolution is not necessarily incompatible with Islamic principles.

The Eastern Orthodox Church
Is divided in two large categories, which might be labeled as compatibilism and dualism. On the one hand, compatibilists hold that evolutionary science and theology are compatible and view them as complementary revelations of God. On the other hand, dualists hold that evolution can be incompatible with faith. They usually argue either that evolutionary science is philosophically based on a kind of naturalism or that God's specific revelation is infallible and therefore trumps the findings of human reason in the case of any conflict between them.

https://www.pewforum.org/2009/02/04/religious-groups-views-on-evolution/

Republicans
Large numbers of Republicans do not believe in evolution.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...-views-on-evolution-tracking-how-its-changed/
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Cypress said:
I have no idea what your point is.

The case can easily be made that Republicans, and in particular conservatives, are more likely to be hostile to the science of evolution than others. Quite a few religions/denominations have come to terms with evolution, even if Republicans and conservative religions have not.
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Like most rich white liberal socialists, you have a racist bigoted hatred for whites living in poverty.

Both Latino and Black American populations, each have higher percentages of Christians than Whites. The belief in creationism doesn't vary that much by race or skin color.
 
evince said:
when science becomes your enemy you have lost your mind and credibility
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There is no scientific proof that God exists.

You are condemning all of humanity, except rich white atheist progressives, ... the self-appointed elitists who think they are everyone's betters. And therefore, have the right to be the 'massas'. :palm:
 
Bigdog said:
Like most rich white liberal socialists, you have a racist bigoted hatred for whites living in poverty.

Both Latino and Black American populations, each have higher percentages of Christians than Whites. The belief in creationism doesn't vary that much by race or skin color.
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Why do you hate us white people? What did we ever do to you to make you so rabidly jealous of us?
 
Cypress said:
While I appreciate the efforts of conservative’s Creation Science Museum making case that humans were created independently of biological evolution and frolicked with dinosaurs in the Garden of Eden, the following conceptual illustration of human evolution makes more sense to me.

Recent advances in science:

-Denisovan genes: In addition to recent findings that non-African humans having a few percent Neanderthal DNA genes, there appears to also be evidence that early homo-sapiens also inter-bred with Denisova hominins - some modern humans might have Denisovan genes.

-Our closest primate relative, the bonobo: Our closest living relatives may be the bonobo…not the chimpanzee.
https://phys.org/news/2017-04-bonobos-representation-common-ancestor-humans.html

pKSjBi3.png
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Tell me is God supposed to have created everything? If so then why couldn't he have created primitive man and allowed him to evolve like everything else he created? See creationism and evolution can and do exist side by side.
 
Bleeding heart said:
Tell me is God supposed to have created everything? If so then why couldn't he have created primitive man and allowed him to evolve like everything else he created? See creationism and evolution can and do exist side by side.
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You are free to believe that God "created primitive man" as an article of faith.

Scientific evidence, which includes the fossil record, DNA, and genetic evidence clearly indicates that humans evolved from archaic primate ancestors which were not human, into the genus hominid, and finally into the modern species of homo sapiens.
 
Bleeding heart said:
Tell me is God supposed to have created everything? If so then why couldn't he have created primitive man and allowed him to evolve like everything else he created? See creationism and evolution can and do exist side by side.
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nope


there is no need for a god in the equation


gods are myths
 
Bigdog said:
Like most rich white liberal socialists, you have a racist bigoted hatred for whites living in poverty.

Both Latino and Black American populations, each have higher percentages of Christians than Whites. The belief in creationism doesn't vary that much by race or skin color.
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the rightwing crackas Christianity is a virulent disease
 
evince said:
science is a better god to follow
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Science is a method of inquiry into the natural world.

Personally, I am fine with the coexistence of religion and science. They are both part of the human experience, and spirituality and reason serve different needs and purposes for humans. I have never been one to believe there is only one way of looking at the world. The Pope, the Catholic Church, and most mainline liberal Protestant denominations have it right - they accept the tenets of evolution and do not feel like it undermines their faith in the spiritual realm.

The problem is when fundamentalists attempt to use religious dogma to undermine knowledge, reason, and science.
 
May be of interest to the scientifically literate....

The Denisovans: New Finds are Illuminating the Mysterious Ancient Humans

Nestled in foothills of Russia’s Altai Mountains, Denisova Cave has been a research mecca since 2010, when fossil DNA from the site revealed a previously unknown human lineage, now called the Denisovans. Scientists have been working hard to reconstruct the cave’s history, through ongoing excavations as well as new analyses of materials recovered years ago.

First, what everyone wants to know: Yes, they found more human remains. In addition to the four Denisovan specimens (one pinky finger, two adult molars and a baby tooth), the cave has yielded 12 fossils from ancient humans, including teeth, toes, fingers and unclassifiable fragments.

Based on their genomes, proteins and physical appearance, the collection contains four Denisovans, three Neanderthals and one hybrid cross between the two human types. Excavators have also found four more fossils that belong to the Homo genus, but haven’t yet been assigned to a particular human species. Additional DNA sequences, recovered directly from the dirt, suggest the presence of even more individuals.

Sensational Scraps
Finding the fossils was a feat. Well over 100,000 bones have been excavated from Denisova Cave, but most are scraps, no longer than a matchstick, that have been chomped, crushed and eroded over the ages. It’s impossible to say what creatures they came from just by looking. So, Oxford graduate student Samantha Brown subjected thousands of the bones to protein analysis. The method, ZooMS (Zooarchaeology by Mass Spectrometry), can distinguish human collagen (the main protein in bone) from that of other animals, but cannot narrow it down to a particular human type — Neanderthal, Denisovan or modern human. Testing more than 4,500 specimens in two studies, Brown found loads of sheep, mammoth and hyena — and four humans.

Among the bones identified by ZooMS was one labeled “Denisova 11.” This corroded, inch-long splinter was justifiably described as appearing “quite unremarkable” in the original report. But subsequent genomic analysis in 2018 revealed that Den 11 — now more affectionately known as Denny — was the lovechild of a Neanderthal mother and Denisovan father.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/c...g-the-mysterious-ancient-humans/#.XXfb9ihKiUk
 
Cypress said:
The Denisovans: New Finds are Illuminating the Mysterious Ancient Humans

Nestled in foothills of Russia’s Altai Mountains, Denisova Cave has been a research mecca since 2010, when fossil DNA from the site revealed a previously unknown human lineage, now called the Denisovans. Scientists have been working hard to reconstruct the cave’s history, through ongoing excavations as well as new analyses of materials recovered years ago.

First, what everyone wants to know: Yes, they found more human remains. In addition to the four Denisovan specimens (one pinky finger, two adult molars and a baby tooth), the cave has yielded 12 fossils from ancient humans, including teeth, toes, fingers and unclassifiable fragments.

Based on their genomes, proteins and physical appearance, the collection contains four Denisovans, three Neanderthals and one hybrid cross between the two human types. Excavators have also found four more fossils that belong to the Homo genus, but haven’t yet been assigned to a particular human species. Additional DNA sequences, recovered directly from the dirt, suggest the presence of even more individuals.

Sensational Scraps
Finding the fossils was a feat. Well over 100,000 bones have been excavated from Denisova Cave, but most are scraps, no longer than a matchstick, that have been chomped, crushed and eroded over the ages. It’s impossible to say what creatures they came from just by looking. So, Oxford graduate student Samantha Brown subjected thousands of the bones to protein analysis. The method, ZooMS (Zooarchaeology by Mass Spectrometry), can distinguish human collagen (the main protein in bone) from that of other animals, but cannot narrow it down to a particular human type — Neanderthal, Denisovan or modern human. Testing more than 4,500 specimens in two studies, Brown found loads of sheep, mammoth and hyena — and four humans.

Among the bones identified by ZooMS was one labeled “Denisova 11.” This corroded, inch-long splinter was justifiably described as appearing “quite unremarkable” in the original report. But subsequent genomic analysis in 2018 revealed that Den 11 — now more affectionately known as Denny — was the lovechild of a Neanderthal mother and Denisovan father.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/c...g-the-mysterious-ancient-humans/#.XXfb9ihKiUk
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It has been fascinating to read about all these really old bones popping up north of the Mediterranean.
 
Celticguy said:
It has been fascinating to read about all these really old bones popping up north of the Mediterranean.
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The most compelling thing to me is that Neanderthals, Denosivans, and homo sapiens may have been cross-breeding. And the DNA of these primitive human subspecies might be passed onto modern humans.

I personally think there might be a few posters here with at least 30 percent Neanderthal DNA.
 
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