I Agree With The Founders About Healthcare

Dark Soul said:
I've used this argument to successfully coverts a liberal friend of mine to agree with me on limited federal government. He's originally from California, we were talking about ObamaCare, and I ax'd him, why would you want to force policies that Californians like on Texans? Aren't they completely different people? Aren't Texans different than folks from California, or Massachusetts, in their beliefs and preferences?

It took him about a year to think it over, but then he told me that yeah, I was right (as usual).
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sure dark stool, sure
 
LV426 said:
My opinion upheld by 55 years of precedent.

Your opinion isn't upheld anywhere. Only in your head.

You also don't pay for your health care, someone else does. Once they stop paying for it, who does?
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Plessy v. Ferguson was upheld by 58 years of precedent. Did that make it OK?

Mine is not an opinion. I use the writing in the Constitution.

There you go again thinking paying means a physical action and compensation can only be in dollars/cents.

If you had an ounce of knowledge, you'd consider yourself a fool for asking such a question.
 
The Constitution is a work in progress! It was set up to be amended as needed, and it has been many times.

It is not the Bible etched in stone!

You Constitutionalists, and other wacked out Libertarians need to STFU and get out of the way of progress!
 
CFM said:
Plessy v. Ferguson was upheld by 58 years of precedent. Did that make it OK?
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You're comparing Medicare to segregation.

This is why Conservatives are losing; they are just idiots.

BTW - you're the people who supported Plessy vs. Ferguson, and who threatened black students after Brown v. Board of Education.
 
CFM said:
Mine is not an opinion. I use the writing in the Constitution.
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No, you're using your opinion of what someone else -not you, because you haven't read the Constitution once in your life- read in the Constitution, and there's no legal precedent that supports you.

And you don't even pay for your own health care.
 
LV426 said:
LOL!




OMFG.

Conservatives are such lazy fucking idiots.

In 1938 the Supreme Court affirmed that Social Security was Constitutional because it fell under the provision of Congress levying taxes. Same argument for Medicare about 30 years later because it is also a taxation issue, which Congress is allowed to do per the Constitution. Medicare is funded by payroll taxes, therefore it falls under the powers of Congress to legislate.

Also, no mention of the "General Welfare" clause from you. You avoided that completely.
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Then you should be able to show me where the Constitution gives Congress specific delegated authority over healthcare. You do realize that would involve the word "healthcare"?

At least you admit there is no specifically delegated authority for SS and Medicare. The Court had to reach around and pull something out of their assholes to do it.

Obama himself said the Obamacare mandate wasn't a tax yet the reason it was upheld was because of the government's power to tax. Where was the BOY saying that's wrong? Guess his kind are willing to accept anything even when it's done in a way he says it isn't being done.

General welfare doesn't mean healthcare. I don't address nonsensical things like what you bleeding hearts believe.
 
CFM said:
There you go again thinking paying means a physical action and compensation can only be in dollars/cents
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Who gives money to your health care providers? From whose pocket is that money coming? If they decide to stop paying for it, who then has to pick up the tab?
 
LV426 said:
No, you're using your opinion of what you read in the Constitution, and there's no legal precedent that supports you.

And you don't even pay for your own health care.
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The Constitution itself is legal precedent. If you claim it isn't, then everything you said is supported by it is false.

I have healthcare. Millions do not. I see them wanting what I have not the other way around.

Why are you so jealous of someone that does what you can't do?
 
LV426 said:
Who gives money to your health care providers? From whose pocket is that money coming? If they decide to stop paying for it, who then has to pick up the tab?
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There you go again thinking that because it doesn't physically come to me first it hasn't been earned.

You keep saying "if". You don't have a clue but speculate as if you know.

My employer doesn't hand me a physical check either. Does that mean I don't get paid?
 
LV426 said:
No, you're using your opinion of what someone else -not you, because you haven't read the Constitution once in your life- read in the Constitution, and there's no legal precedent that supports you.

And you don't even pay for your own health care.
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Says the typical 85 IQ black boy. Run along, nigger, and shine some shoes, sweep some floors, or get some other black ho pregnant so white people have to support another one of their fucking kids.
 
CFM said:
The Constitution itself is legal precedent. If you claim it isn't, then everything you said is supported by it is false.
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And the Constitution says that government shall provide for the General Welfare.

You interpret that to mean...nothing. Everyone else interprets that to mean health care, among other things.
 
CFM said:
I have healthcare
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That someone else pays for, by your own admission.


CFM said:
Millions do not. I see them wanting what I have not the other way around.
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It's not a zero-sum game, you know. Someone else getting health care doesn't mean you lose yours.


CFM said:
hy are you so jealous of someone that does what you can't do?
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I am jealous that someone else pays for your health care, so you don't have to, yes. What I find odd is that you don't want your situation to be someone else's situation. So you don't pay for your health care now, but you are screeching about providing health care to people who can't afford it today?

What a fraud.
 
LV426 said:
And the Constitution says that government shall provide for the General Welfare.

You interpret that to mean...nothing. Everyone else interprets that to mean health care, among other things.
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I don't interpret anything. I, unlike you, can read what something says and tell when things are and aren't there.

When you interpret it the way you do, it proves that it's not written anywhere.
 
CFM said:
There you go again thinking that because it doesn't physically come to me first it hasn't been earned
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You aren't earning anything. Someone else made the choice to pay for your health care, and they told you that it was part of your compensation. But that's meaningless because they could cancel that at any time, and you'd be left with no one paying for your health care.
 
LV426 said:
That someone else pays for, by your own admission.




It's not a zero-sum game, you know. Someone else getting health care doesn't mean you lose yours.




I am jealous that someone else pays for your health care, so you don't have to, yes. What I find odd is that you don't want your situation to be someone else's situation. So you don't pay for your health care now, but you are screeching about providing health care to people who can't afford it today?

What a fraud.
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There you go assuming compensation is only dollars and cents.

Someone getting what they don't deserve means they didn't earn it.

I don't care if someone else's situation is my situation. Those that provide me healthcare coverage as part of my compensation did so my choice. You want the government to mandate it for others.

If someone can't afford healthcare today, feel free to personally fund it for them with your money. You have that choice. If you fail to exercise it, don't blame anyone but yourself when they don't have it.
 
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