Again, compensation doesn't have to come in dollars/cents.
Someone makes the choice to do so. You want the government to mandate employers to do so.
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I Agree With The Founders About Healthcare
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Again, compensation doesn't have to come in dollars/cents.
Someone makes the choice to do so. You want the government to mandate employers to do so.
You keep going with the "ifs" without an ounce of knowledge to back up your speculation.
You keep avoiding the "IFs" because you know what the answer is; IF your employer ceased paying for your health care, you would have to pay for it yourself.
Which means...wait for it...you don't pay for your health care now.
Exactly, and they can choose to stop paying for it at any moment.
You don't seem to want to face that possibility. The reason is obvious; entitlement.
I don't face it as a possibility because it isn't one. Guaranteed. I know. You speculate.
The fact that you keep speculating about something without an ounce of knowledge makes you look like a fool. To do what you're doing means you're claiming you know more about me than I do.
You're the one volunteering suspect personal anecdotes into the debate, then refusing to debate their validity.
You're a coward.
You keep avoiding the "IFs" because you know what the answer is; IF your employer ceased paying for your health care, you would have to pay for it yourself.
Which means...wait for it...you don't pay for your health care now.
I avoid your "ifs" because they're not a possibility. I know. You're guessing that you think you know.
You're the one volunteering suspect personal anecdotes into the debate, then refusing to debate their validity.
You're a coward.
I state facts about your "ifs" being an impossibility. I don't debate things that aren't possibilities. I wouldn't debate you about whether or not I could be black. It's impossible.
You keep asking a question that if you had an ounce of knowledge you'd consider yourself a dumbass for asking it.
YOU ARE THE ONE WHO MADE YOUR HEALTH CARE A PART OF THIS DEBATE, PAL.
You didn't have to do that; you chose to because you thought it would help you make your point. But all it does is show the vulnerability of your argument because you don't pay for your health care right now.
It's not about entitlement
Yes it is.
You think you're entitled to health care as part of your compensation. But if your boss decided to stop paying for your health care, who would have to start paying for it? YOU WOULD.
I can guarantee that my boss won't decide today at 4:00 PM to not pay for it. GUARANTEED.
But he could. That's the point. It's all up to him and his judgment. He can decide at any time to stop paying for your health care, and there's not a damn thing you can do about that.
I acknowledge that there are words that say "general welfare" in the Constitution.
And you interpret that to mean, what?
What you're arguing is that I should accept what you say they mean. What you don't acknowledge is that the Constitution doesn't say "healthcare" and the 10th amendment makes it a STATE matter because of that.
The Constitution says "General Welfare" and there's no compelling case that national health care isn't a function of General Welfare.
I never said it didn't exist. I can read
Can you? I have doubts. I think reading and comprehending what you read are two different things. I think you can read. I think you just don't understand what you're reading. That's because you're genetically deficient.
What you pretend is that everyone should accept that it means what you say it means.
So then how do you interpret "General Welfare"? Because I interpret it as welfare that serves the general population, which a national health insurance plan does.
What you say is an absolute impossibility.
You live in a right-to-work state, which means your boss can fire you at any time, without cause.
You have it all wrong. The healthcare I have is provided by a choice of my employer
A choice they could rescind at any time, for no reason at all. So what happens should they decide to do that? Who pays for your health care then?
using his own money to fund as part of my compensation.
A-HA! So he is paying for your health care with his money.
So you're not paying for your health care; someone else is.
And that someone else can decide to stop paying for it at any time - you've given no reason why your boss couldn't.
Tell me, why do you think it's an impossibility that your boss could decide to stop paying for your healthcare? You live in a right-to-work state. He could just fire your ass without cause. Who pays for your health care then?
SmarterthanYou
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LOL!
No, it's not a state issue and you can't explain how the Constitution says it is.
A virus doesn't give a shit if you're in Texas or Maine. Diabetes is the same in New Hampshire as it is in California.
Health care is a national issue because cancer doesn't recognize state borders.
are you arguing that the constitution gives the federal government some authority to regulate cancer? i'd love for you to point out where that is.
Again, compensation doesn't have to come in dollars/cents.
And if your boss decided to stop paying for your health care, who would?
Someone makes the choice to do so
Right! And they can also choose to stop paying for it. Who would pay for your health care then? You would!
You want the government to mandate employers to do so.
No I don't. A single payer plan means no employers have to pay for individual health care. Like everyone else, they pay a flat % of their business income which they already do now for Medicare.
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
I don't face it as a possibility because it isn't one. Guaranteed. I know. You speculate.
How is it not a possibility?
Or is this the part of the conversation where I essentially have to take your word for it?
Why the fuck should I?
I avoid your "ifs" because they're not a possibility.
Why are they not a possibility? You live in a right-to-work state. Your boss could fire your lazy ass at any time.
I state facts about your "ifs" being an impossibility.
How? Prove how it would be impossible for your boss to either stop paying for your health care, or just fire your ass.
I don't debate things that aren't possibilities.
Now the problem you're going to run into is that you're saying that an absolute exists. So now, it's incumbent on you to prove this absolute. So how are you going to prove to me that it would be impossible for your boss to decide to stop paying for your health care, or from firing your lazy ass for no reason?
are you arguing that the constitution gives the federal government some authority to regulate cancer? i'd love for you to point out where that is.
No, I'm arguing that the Constitution gives the federal government the power to create a single payer because health care is a national issue. It's a national issue because cancer doesn't recognize state borders.
Your obtuse trollish bait ain't gonna work, you lazy fucker.