I Agree With The Founders About Healthcare

[Old Trapper]

There you go thinking you can claim compassion by supporting the spending of someone else's money.

I have a suggestion. If you think someone without coverage/care should have it, write a check or STFU. If you think BF believed that to be the case, I suggest you dig him up and get the money from him or STFU.

I have come to the conclusion that no amount of knowledge exists in that skull you have save for your racist beliefs. Try reading the title of the thread stupid.

 

[Old Trapper]

are you arguing that the constitution gives the federal government some authority to regulate cancer? i'd love for you to point out where that is.

Why are right wingers so blatantly ignorant?

 

[Nordberg]

Why are right wingers so blatantly ignorant?

Called diversion. Flee from a discussion by running off on a rant that does not deal with the question. Time honored right wing ploy.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

No, I'm arguing that the Constitution gives the federal government the power to create a single payer because health care is a national issue. It's a national issue because cancer doesn't recognize state borders.

Your obtuse trollish bait ain't gonna work, you lazy fucker.

what PART of the constitution authorizes congress or the federal government power to do such a thing? can you quote the exact portion, you lazy fucker?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Why are right wingers so blatantly ignorant?

i'll ask you to show me the same info on the constitution, oh ignorant one.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Ours is the oldest constitutional republic in the world.
And thus the most obsolete.

 

[CFM]

You live in a right-to-work state, which means your boss can fire you at any time, without cause.

Oh, you're one of those idiots that thinks an employee can be fired because the employer doesn't like their haircut?

 

[CFM]

A choice they could rescind at any time, for no reason at all. So what happens should they decide to do that? Who pays for your health care then?




A-HA! So he is paying for your health care with his money.

So you're not paying for your health care; someone else is.

And that someone else can decide to stop paying for it at any time - you've given no reason why your boss couldn't.

Tell me, why do you think it's an impossibility that your boss could decide to stop paying for your healthcare? You live in a right-to-work state. He could just fire your ass without cause. Who pays for your health care then?

If you only knew what you thought you knew, you'd still be an idiot.

Your claims that my employer could stop at any time is based on a premise for which you have no understanding. That's all you need you to know.

 

[CFM]

And if your boss decided to stop paying for your health care, who would?

I've told you more than once that it is an impossibility. If you're too fucking stupid to understand that, it's your problem.

 

[CFM]

Right! And they can also choose to stop paying for it. Who would pay for your health care then? You would!





No I don't. A single payer plan means no employers have to pay for individual health care. Like everyone else, they pay a flat % of their business income which they already do now for Medicare.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

You have no clue yet you speak like someone with profound knowledge.

Employers don't currently pay a flat % of their business income. That's not how it works.

What about those that don't work and don't contribute? Also, the system you support isn't like the system currently in place. Those currently paying into the Medicare system aren't the ones receiving it. What you support is those contributing now getting now. That's not the current system. You also support those not contributing to the system getting something.

 

[CFM]

Why are they not a possibility? You live in a right-to-work state. Your boss could fire your lazy ass at any time.

Why do you claim to know something for which you have no knowledge?

Lazy people don't have their employers providing their coverage as part of their compensation, boy. Lazy people like you are the ones that support the government mandating a system because you're unable to do for yourself.

 

[CFM]

How? Prove how it would be impossible for your boss to either stop paying for your health care, or just fire your ass.




Now the problem you're going to run into is that you're saying that an absolute exists. So now, it's incumbent on you to prove this absolute. So how are you going to prove to me that it would be impossible for your boss to decide to stop paying for your health care, or from firing your lazy ass for no reason?

I don’t take order from you.

You're claiming the boss could fire me and/or stop paying. It's upon you to back up that claim. Just as expected, you want me to do the work for you yet call me a lazy ass.

 

[CFM]

I have come to the conclusion that no amount of knowledge exists in that skull you have save for your racist beliefs. Try reading the title of the thread stupid.

Expecting people to do with their own money what they say should be done isn't racist.

Have you provided anyone with coverage using your own money since you posted your last thread? If not, STFU about someone else doing it. You not doing what you claim should occur proves you want those people to die. You claim a responsibility to them. Show it. I don't make such a claim because no such responsibility exists.

 

[Old Trapper]

i'll ask you to show me the same info on the constitution, oh ignorant one.

Well, dumber then a box of bricks, I never said the Constitution declared such. However, having said that, the "General Welfare" clause of the Constitution has been used to justify many things over the years, Then, I would point out to one as ignorant as you, that the First Congress, John Adams (President of the US), and the Founders, seem to find no exclusion in the Constitution to prevent them from providing healthcare for sailors, and the poor.

Now, why are you, and others like you, being such pricks about the matter?

 

[Old Trapper]

I don't take demands from 2nd class punk bitches like you, BOY. Learn your place and it will alway be behind me.

You're claiming the boss could fire me and/or stop paying. It's upon you to back up that claim. Just as expected, you want me to do the work for you yet call me a lazy ass.

Oh lord, he is offering his ass up to be punked by someone he doesn't even know.

BTW, anyone who has ever had a job, or earned an honest living, knows that an employer has the right to do most anything to the employee.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Ours is the oldest constitutional republic in the world.
And thus the most obsolete.

That should be a DNC campaign ad.

 

[Life is Golden]

Health care is general welfare.

Promote the general welfare does not mean provide it.

 

[CFM]

Oh lord, he is offering his ass up to be punked by someone he doesn't even know.

BTW, anyone who has ever had a job, or earned an honest living, knows that an employer has the right to do most anything to the employee.

Another that has no knowledge yet speaks like he's an expert.

 

[CFM]

Well, dumber then a box of bricks, I never said the Constitution declared such. However, having said that, the "General Welfare" clause of the Constitution has been used to justify many things over the years, Then, I would point out to one as ignorant as you, that the First Congress, John Adams (President of the US), and the Founders, seem to find no exclusion in the Constitution to prevent them from providing healthcare for sailors, and the poor.

Now, why are you, and others like you, being such pricks about the matter?

A prick is someone that says another person should have something they don't have (i.e. - healthcare) then claims he's compassionate because he's willing to spend someone else's money providing it while refusing to do it himself. That's you.

 

[Mason Michaels]

Actually I think the founding principles had it right and it's the only actual constitutional way to go related to healthcare.

The founding principle was and is supposed to still be that the several states would act as a laboratory with the end result being the best, better solution for everything by the trial and error system. That's why amendment 10 to our constitution gives most powers to the states and or the people. The founders determined that government closest to the people would be more responsible by definition, i.e. the state government and or local government as opposed to the remote national government'


Thus, healthcare should be the power and determination of every individual state government, local government and the people of the particular state. Thus. the best healthcare will eventually rise to the top and thereby be adopted by every state likely with revisions therewith to accord with particular conditions of each particular state. Folks that didn't like a particular state's healthcare system could simply vote with their feet and move to another state where they would consider themselves better served.


This is what the founders envisioned and delivered constitutionally, "The Several State Laboratory" to establish free market solutions, preserve freedom and incorporate the best/better ideas.

BTW, every state and local government should have the unconditional right and power to negotiate any and all healthcare insurance policies and drug prices with insurance companies and BIG pharmaceutical companies.

Just sayin!

The larger the pool the cheaper the insurance for everyone!