I Agree With The Founders About Healthcare

CFM said:
Also, the system you support isn't like the system currently in place.
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It is the exact same system, only instead of myriad insurers reimbursing providers, one entity does that.

Nothing else about your health care changes. What is reformed is a part of the health care process you're not involved with right now.

Your problem is that you fundamentally do not understand what health insurance is, what insurance companies do, and how any of it relates to your actual health care.
 
CFM said:
Those currently paying into the Medicare system aren't the ones receiving it. What you support is those contributing now getting now.
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They're already likely getting health insurance. The problem is they're paying high premiums, deductibles, and drug costs. A single payer eliminates all those costs for a single, flat % fee applied to your income as a payroll tax.

Literally nothing else changes. You won't even know the difference. But your provider will because they will no longer have to spend $$ on administration of myriad insurance plans. So that frees up more money to be spent on your actual care.

Literally all we're talking about doing is instead of myriad insurers reimbursing providers at varying rates to achieve a profit motive, there's one entity that reimburses providers at the same rate whose goal is to get people health care. If anything, your care will improve.

Not sure why you think tying a profit motive to the administration of payments to your doctor improves or enhances your health care.
 
CFM said:
You also support those not contributing to the system getting something.
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Let's be clear who you're referring to here: children, the elderly, the disabled, and veterans.

You, who doesn't pay for your own health care, has a problem with a kid getting health care despite not working because they're a kid.

You know how I said before the reason you defend Confederate statues is because you share the same values as Confederates, and that you have to glorify these people in order to feel better about yourself? Yeah, this post of yours are those values I was referring to.
 
LV426 said:
Like you!?!?!

Or like the elderly, children, veterans, and the disabled?

Are those the people you're referring to?

You keep coming back to this fantasy that there are millions of people who simply don't work, yet collect benefits. And when asked to provide actual figures that support that claim, you never do.
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LV426 said:
It is the exact same system, only instead of myriad insurers reimbursing providers, one entity does that.

Nothing else about your health care changes. What is reformed is a part of the health care process you're not involved with right now.

Your problem is that you fundamentally do not understand what health insurance is, what insurance companies do, and how any of it relates to your actual health care.
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LV426 said:
They're already likely getting health insurance. The problem is they're paying high premiums, deductibles, and drug costs. A single payer eliminates all those costs for a single, flat % fee applied to your income as a payroll tax.

Literally nothing else changes. You won't even know the difference. But your provider will because they will no longer have to spend $$ on administration of myriad insurance plans. So that frees up more money to be spent on your actual care.

Literally all we're talking about doing is instead of myriad insurers reimbursing providers at varying rates to achieve a profit motive, there's one entity that reimburses providers at the same rate whose goal is to get people health care. If anything, your care will improve.

Not sure why you think tying a profit motive to the administration of payments to your doctor improves or enhances your health care.
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:lolup:More reasons on why you cannot argue with a willful idiot. :rofl2:
 
CFM said:
Why do you claim to know something for which you have no knowledge
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You have said you live in the South. All the southern states are right-to-work states, which means your employer has the right to fire you for any reason, or for no reason at all.

So walking around thinking you're invaluable or whatever is you kidding yourself. No one is infallible; everyone's replaceable.

Your boss could wake up tomorrow and decide to fire you for any reason he wants, or for no reason at all.

When that happens, who pays for your health care?
 
Bourbon said:
Founders? = Healthcare? Really dude?
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Founders = Amendment 10 dude! The amendment establishes the powers of the several states and the limits to governance authorized by the Constitution to the federal state. THUS DUDE! all issues not enumerated in the Constitution as a power of the federal state are reserved by the Constitution to the "SEVERAL STATES," and or the people, which DUDE, includes healthcare DUDE!
 
CFM said:
Lazy people don't have their employers providing their coverage as part of their compensation, boy.
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1. I don't believe you when you say this.
2. Your health care isn't contingent on anything, and your boss could decide he wants to make a little more $$ for himself and he can achieve that by ceasing paying for your care.
3. The fact that you think it's an impossibility your boss would fire your lazy ass just shows how entitled you are.
4. You are admitting someone else pays for your health care, not you. And should your boss decide to stop paying for your health care, who would foot the bill?


Lazy people like you are the ones that support the government mandating a system because you're unable to do for yourself.
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You haven't been paying attention to a single thing said to you. You're just reflexively opposed to anything because you're an entitled loser who lies on anonymous message boards to feel better about himself.
 
CFM said:
I don’t take order from you
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So now we're right back to where we always end up with you; you refusing to verify your claims and I'm expected to take your word for it.

Why the fuck should I take your word for anything?

You've made your personal circumstances central to your entire argument, and you won't even verify those personal circumstances. The reason is obvious; you're making it all up.

I don't believe you when you say you have a job. What job would allow you to spend hours every day posting in anonymous forums?

Sounds to me like you're a self-loathing slug of a person whose never had to actually work for anything in his life. That's turned you soft, whiny, and doughy. And it's turned you into a liar who has to posture on message boards just so your shitty arguments can be taken seriously.
 
Old Trapper said:
Just saying, the First Congress, and signed by John Adams, first mandated healthcare for sailors, both government employed, and privately employed, in 1798. It should also be noted that the Repugnant Party has attempted to mandate requirements for State medicaid programs to the detriment of the poor.

If left up to the right wing "conservatives" the only ones that would have health insurance would be the top 10-20% of society. Actually, I think it is pretty close to that now.

And then you need to read up on Benjamin Franklin, and healthcare for the poor:

https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...in-franklin-have-to-do-with-obamacare/280735/

It is really a sorry state of affairs when one realizes that this so-called "christian nation" lacks the capacity for compassion that a deist like Franklin had:

"First: What were Franklin’s motivations for supporting the project?

In the Philadelphia Gazette on August 8, 1751, and reprinted in Franklin’s own 40-page account of the founding of the hospital (available online through the U.S. National Library of Medicine), Franklin offered one justification for his support: “This branch of charity seems essential to the true spirit of Christianity, and should be extended to all in general, whether deserving or undeserving, as far as our power reaches.”
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Who gives a bleep about the rightwing or leftwing? The issue and subject matter of this thread, is the constitutional way to solve the nation's bleeped up healthcare system that has been established as nothing less than a truckload of garbage controlled by BIG medical insurance co's and BIG Phrma.
 
Old Trapper said:
Then, as a matter of course, you do not support corporate welfare, or special tax breaks for the wealthy?
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Promote the general welfare does not mean provide it.

The federal gubmint is not charged with providing anything to anyone except security and to stay out of the way so they have the opportunity to pursue happiness.
 
CFM said:
A prick is someone that says another person should have something they don't have (i.e. - healthcare) then claims he's compassionate because he's willing to spend someone else's money providing it while refusing to do it himself. That's you.
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Conservatives submit forth unverifiable personal anecdotes, then make assumptions of others.

Weak sauce.
 
CFM said:
You can take or not take what you want. Facts don't care nor do they change based on your acceptance or denial of them.
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Well, you're going to be in for a shock to find out the state you live in allows your boss to fire your lazy, racist ass for no reason whatsoever.
 
CFM said:
Still assuming things you don't know, huh? You assume lots of things.
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I only work with what you give me, and what you've given me seems shaky and unverifiable. But one thing's for certain; you live in a state where your boss (that I'm not convinced you even have) can terminate your employment at any time. Likewise, there's no law that says your boss couldn't just decide to stop paying for your health care at any time either.

But I don't truly believe you have a boss, or that you're employed. I think you're making it all up. I think you're just some leech with a "disability" that you use as an excuse to avoid working, and because you are filled with self-loathing about being an underachieving loser, you get it in your head that everyone else is lazy when you're the lazy one.
 
Old Trapper said:
You really should STFU, and quit proving what an ignorant ass you are:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/html/art1frag29_user.html
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You fucking illiterate retard; you can't even comprehend your own link dumbfuck. No wonder you are a willful idiot who votes for idiots.

They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”531 The clause, in short, is not an independent grant of power, but a qualification of the taxing power.
 
CFM said:
You mean like the tactic to claim anything you're unwilling to do should be the responsibility of the government?
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I don't know what the fuck you're babbling about here. What is it I'm unwilling to do? I already pay for health insurance, into a premium pool. And that premium pool is large, which is why my premium is low. The larger the pool, the lower the premiums. So then that means the largest possible pool will have the lowest possible premium; and that's why I support a single payer.
 
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