I left part of my body in Iraq

guno said:
TD admitted he never served in the military because he was to low grade
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Nice how free and easy non-vets on the right are when it comes to other ppl's kids, isn't it?

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ThatOwlWoman said:
Nice how free and easy non-vets on the right are when it comes to other ppl's kids, isn't it?

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All great companies to work for. And their products make us the most powerful military force on earth. The quality of their products helps keep our young warriors alive.
 
Eagle-Eye said:
All great companies to work for. And their products make us the most powerful military force on earth. The quality of their products helps keep our young warriors alive.
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I think the "American teenagers" lobster is a short. Must be Democrats in that picture. They could care less they are breaking the law.........
 
Eagle-Eye said:
Just goes to show you have no idea of the facts which makes you a dumb ass on the subject.
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I'm pretty sure that you don't have any idea of the facts. I know for sure that I don't either. I'd bet you that outside of a small group of the powerful and their masters in DC -- NONE of us have a clue about this whole assassination thing.
 
Eagle-Eye said:
All great companies to work for. And their products make us the most powerful military force on earth. The quality of their products helps keep our young warriors alive.
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Yes, we are aware of that. I guess you missed the gist of the meme... or are pretending you did?

Let's have a flashback, my old war horse. We've never met in real life, but somehow I see you agreeing with this guy. I know that *I* do.

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Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations.

Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence—economic, political, even spiritual—is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet, we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

-- President and General Dwight David Eisenhower (R)
 
Controlled Opposition said:
Trump did the Congress critters a favor by deciding without consulting them. They avoid all responsibility. Imagine what some of you would be saying if you learned that Trump had a chance to take him out, but didn't do it. Imagine if you learned that Congress wouldn't let him do it.

We have already seen the flip-flopping. Condemn Trump for taking action and now say that Trump should play tit-for-tat with missiles. Please make up your minds.

I suspect that, when Trump is gone, many TDS'ers will still be deranged.
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You can't defend Doug Collins, so you're trying to change the subject.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I'm pretty sure that you don't have any idea of the facts. I know for sure that I don't either. I'd bet you that outside of a small group of the powerful and their masters in DC -- NONE of us have a clue about this whole assassination thing.
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Circumstantial evidence I admit but why else would a high ranking Iranian general who is commander of the units that recruit and direct proxy fighters? No I don't have the facts but I do know from history how Iran supports terrorism. This is a really telling cartoon. on this subject.
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ThatOwlWoman said:
Yes, we are aware of that. I guess you missed the gist of the meme... or are pretending you did?

Let's have a flashback, my old war horse. We've never met in real life, but somehow I see you agreeing with this guy. I know that *I* do.

~~~

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations.

Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence—economic, political, even spiritual—is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet, we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

-- President and General Dwight David Eisenhower (R)
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The military-industrial complex is manned by mostly ex-high to low ranking military personnel, who like me took an oath we hold sacred, and working for some of those companies I have seen first hand there is nothing to fear. The peace at any cost bloc are the ones trying to make you fear the military-industrial complex.
 
Eagle-Eye said:
The military-industrial complex is manned by mostly ex-high to low ranking military personnel, who like me took an oath we hold sacred, and working for some of those companies I have seen first hand there is nothing to fear. The peace at any cost bloc are the ones trying to make you fear the military-industrial complex.
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The real question is whether you want blood on your hands. Murder is, I think, to be avoided by decent countries.
 
Eagle-Eye said:
Circumstantial evidence I admit but why else would a high ranking Iranian general who is commander of the units that recruit and direct proxy fighters? No I don't have the facts but I do know from history how Iran supports terrorism. This is a really telling cartoon. on this subject.
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I think we're all safe in agreeing that the dead guy did not have our best interests at heart. Like most American soldiers, he was loyal to his homeland. I also suspect that the citizens of Iran think about our generals and fighting ppl the same way our govt. is trying to get us to see Soleimani -- as a "terrorist." This guy was not a terrorist; he was a military officer in the armed forces of a sovereign nation.

How would you feel if they droned one of our high-ranking military officers when he was in another country?
 
Eagle-Eye said:
The military-industrial complex is manned by mostly ex-high to low ranking military personnel, who like me took an oath we hold sacred, and working for some of those companies I have seen first hand there is nothing to fear. The peace at any cost bloc are the ones trying to make you fear the military-industrial complex.
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No, General Eisenhower did that. The employees might be fine ppl, but the corporations do not have our best interests at heart. They only care about the almighty $$$$. BTW, Mr. Owl and myself both worked for McDonnell-Douglas (now Boeing) in the mid-1980s although we didn't know each other back then. and worked in completely different plants. He was with the division that makes the jets; I was with the missile facility that made SLAM and Tomahawk missiles. You're right; quite a few of the guys I worked with were vets. Remember when we bombed Libya in a failed attempt to get Qaddafi? My coworkers were super excited and were hoping it led to all-out war: more contracts for McD-D, more job security for us. All I could think of at the time was that we killed Qaddafi's children. (I was pregnant with my youngest child at the time and feeling maternal.)

War is good for defense contractors, very very good. And there's your military-industrial complex at work.
 
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