If immortality technology existed, but only the rich could purchase it . . .

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I do remember a whole bunch of conservatives that said the Patriot Act would only be used against terrorism related crimes, until it worked out so well for drug related crimes, then conservatives were all like 'well why shouldn't we use it for that'????? no dixie, conservatives lie about their agendas all the time as well.

Any expanded power of the Patriot Act has come under Obama, who is a Democrat. But forget about warantless wiretaps, Obama is secretly using drones on American citizens. Conservatives aren't in charge of government, nor have they had any majority power since passage of the Patriot Act, so anything "extra" happening, can ONLY be because of Democrats.

Of course, never let facts stand in the way of the rhetoric. If you can whine and bemoan Bush for $2 trillion debt while totally ignoring Obama's $6 trillion in debt, and think you have a valid complaint and argument, then anything goes. If you can blame the economy on Bush, a year into Obama's second term, then ration and reason have obviously been tossed. It becomes ever more clear with every passing day, that you people are hypocrites of the highest order, and your intentions are to destroy the capitalist free market system, so that we can be the New Soviet Union. Nothing else matters... if you have to abandon every stated principle, if you have to flip-flop on everything you've complained about, or if you have to just continue blaming everything on Bush, the bottom line is, you are all actively trying to destroy America as we know it.

 

[Damocles]

The largest fantasy in the thread is that something could "always" be too expensive.

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

I swear I didn't see this before posting:

 

[Airstrip One]

This reminds me of another question that was once posited in a class (might have been philosophy). What is a person is born into our society with a unique immune system, whose blood could be used to cure any known human illness? Would it be right to demand blood samples from the person for the betterment of society, regardless of their own personal feelings and civil liberties?

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

utilitarianism in a nutshell. It's a tough spot.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Here's the solution to the fictional problem stated in the OP: Life Mortgages.

If we are going to be living forever, the cost of such a procedure could be amortized over several hundred years, which we would make monthly payments on. Now the first problem you'd encounter, is what to do with those who failed to pay their Life Mortgage? There wouldn't be any real collateral, so what would prevent someone from having the procedure then just not paying for it? My thinking is, when we effectively eliminate "natural death" it will result in yet another problem, population growth. Because of the fact that no one would ever die of natural causes, the act of taking a human life would become less controversial. In fact, it would eventually become necessary, due to the massive number of living people on the planet. Therefore, failing to pay your Life Mortgage would result in termination. Now, that would be a pretty substantial penalty to pay for not making your payments, but I bet it would work.

 

[Rune]

Here's the solution to the fictional problem stated in the OP: Life Mortgages.

If we are going to be living forever, the cost of such a procedure could be amortized over several hundred years, which we would make monthly payments on. Now the first problem you'd encounter, is what to do with those who failed to pay their Life Mortgage? There wouldn't be any real collateral, so what would prevent someone from having the procedure then just not paying for it? My thinking is, when we effectively eliminate "natural death" it will result in yet another problem, population growth. Because of the fact that no one would ever die of natural causes, the act of taking a human life would become less controversial. In fact, it would eventually become necessary, due to the massive number of living people on the planet. Therefore, failing to pay your Life Mortgage would result in termination. Now, that would be a pretty substantial penalty to pay for not making your payments, but I bet it would work.

Roll on you crazy diamond.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Roll on you crazy diamond.

LOL... How do you figure someone is a "crazy diamond" because they came up with a solution to a hypothetical fantasy scenario?

Is is just because, no matter what I ever say, for the rest of my life, it is going to be met with animosity and disagreement by you? It doesn't matter how right I am or how much you may agree, the fact that it's coming from me, is enough to turn you against it? If you ask me, that is sort of a bigoted approach. Is this indicative of how you treat people in real life? You decide they are "wrong" and just automatically dismiss everything they say from that point on? That's mighty 'closed-minded' for a so-called 'progressive' if you ask me.

 

[Rune]

LOL... How do you figure someone is a "crazy diamond" because they came up with a solution to a hypothetical fantasy scenario?

Is is just because, no matter what I ever say, for the rest of my life, it is going to be met with animosity and disagreement by you? It doesn't matter how right I am or how much you may agree, the fact that it's coming from me, is enough to turn you against it? If you ask me, that is sort of a bigoted approach. Is this indicative of how you treat people in real life? You decide they are "wrong" and just automatically dismiss everything they say from that point on? That's mighty 'closed-minded' for a so-called 'progressive' if you ask me.

Animosity? No. I have actually thanked a few of your posts, and if I thank it, I mean it.
Life mortgages? Oxymoron much? Mort (death) gage (grip). If you can't see anything crazy or humorous in that, that is your issue, not mine.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Animosity? No. I have actually thanked a few of your posts, and if I thank it, I mean it.
Life mortgages? Oxymoron much? Mort (death) gage (grip). If you can't see anything crazy or humorous in that, that is your issue, not mine.

Oh, I am sorry, I assumed we were communicating in proper English, and not Runetard-speak. No none I know of, thinks of a mortgage to mean a death grip. Mortgages on homes were created as a solution to the over-arching same problem as the OP posits. Average people couldn't afford to buy nice ready-built homes like wealthy people, but mortgages made it possible.

 

[Rune]

Oh, I am sorry, I assumed we were communicating in proper English, and not Runetard-speak. No none I know of, thinks of a mortgage to mean a death grip. Mortgages on homes were created as a solution to the over-arching same problem as the OP posits. Average people couldn't afford to buy nice ready-built homes like wealthy people, but mortgages made it possible.

[h=3]mortgage[/h] Dave Wilton, Saturday, November 11, 2006
A reader wrote me asking about this word. It seems she was conversing with someone from Holland and upon telling him that her husband was a mortgage broker, the Dutchman assumed he was a mortician. She wanted to know where the word mortgage came from and if it was etymologically related to mortician and mortuary.
The two words are etymologically related. They both derive from the Latin mori meaning to die (via the Old French mort). In the case of mortician, the logical connection with death is obvious, but with mortgage it is not so apparent.
In the word mortgage, the mort- is from the Latin word for death and -gage is from the sense of that word meaning a pledge to forfeit something of value if a debt is not repaid. It appears in Old French as gage mort as early as 1267. The form mort gage appears in Old French by 1283 and mortgage made its way into Anglo-Norman. Use in English dates to1390, when it appears in John Gower’s Confessio Amantis:

In mariage His trouthe plight lith in morgage.
(In marriage, His troth plight lies in mortgage.)
​

So mortgage is literally a dead pledge. It was dead for two reasons, the property was forfeit or “dead” to the borrower if the loan were not repaid and the pledge itself was dead if the loan was repaid. In the words of the 17th century English jurist (and apparently etymologist) Edward Coke in his 1628 The First Part of the Institutes of the Lawes of England:

It seemeth that the cause why it is called mortgage is, for that it is doubtful whether the Feoffor will pay at the day limited such summe or not, & if he doth not pay, then the Land which is put in pledge vpon condition for the payment of the money, is taken from him for euer, and so dead to him vpon condition, &c. And if he doth pay the money, then the pledge is dead as to the Tenant, &c.
​

(Source: Oxford English Dictionary, 3rd Edition)


Filed under: Big List

 

[Airstrip One]

No one attends grammar school anymore, Rune. They abolished teaching Latin, Greek, and the Classics in public high schools back in 1962 - the year that the nationwide SAT scores peaked. Now only history majors and a handful of people who can still read know what you're talking about.

 

[Granule]

This is hardly a theoretical situation aside from the fantasy aspect. Wealthy people live far longer, healthier lives now, so the answer to your tard question is no, it would not be outlawed, if for no other reason that the very wealthy already make the laws and they make them to suit themselves.

2. No, it should not be allowed. Lobby should be outlawed, K Street burned down, the revolving door between government and private employment bolted shut, CU reversed, term limits applied, and lawyers barred from government service (except in courtrooms). Further, all public servants should be held to a higher standard as they once were and no government employees should enjoy immunity.

I totally agree with everything you posted except for not allowing it. I don't think anyone should stand in the way of this kind of invention. If anything, it would motivate me to find my way into that 3%.

 

[Timshel]

I totally agree with everything you posted except for not allowing it. I don't think anyone should stand in the way of this kind of invention. If anything, it would motivate me to find my way into that 3%.

The scenario is too stupid. You would never make it into the 3% as their income would never decline, but rather continue to grow. The only way any new people would make it into the three percent would be for the population to grow or one of them died (they are immortal but I assume that means they wont die from natural causes not that they could survive a woodchipper). Any new entrants would most likely be connected to one of three percent. So if it inspires you to overcome your gag reflex maybe youd achieve immortality, otherwise it would be extremely unlikely.

 

[Airstrip One]

I think we can utilize nano technology and other future techs such as anti-aging microbes to get the average suburban-American lifespan up from 80 into the ballpark of 105, but that still isn't immortality. I would wager that it's enough life for most people to be happy with, and those blessed with natural longevity, who are already living to 100-105, might get up to 120.

 

[Airstrip One]

Speaking of age, the actress from one of my family's all-time favorite films, Dressed to Kill, (a Rathbone-Bruce Holmes entry) is about to turn 98, and will hit magic number 100 in two years if all goes well. It floored me when I came accross her, because she was just so incredibly vicious in the movie. BTW, if anyway knows where I could get hold of a musical box that plays the Swagman tune, I want to buy one as a gift for my dad someday...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricia_Morison

 

[Rune]

No one attends grammar school anymore, Rune. They abolished teaching Latin, Greek, and the Classics in public high schools back in 1962 - the year that the nationwide SAT scores peaked. Now only history majors and a handful of people who can still read know what you're talking about.

Doesn't change the irony of Dixie's coinage though, LMFAO.

 

[Rune]

I totally agree with everything you posted except for not allowing it. I don't think anyone should stand in the way of this kind of invention. If anything, it would motivate me to find my way into that 3%.

I think you are missing the bigger picture. Special benefits for the wealthy are what I am railing against, not fantasies.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

[h=3]mortgage[/h] Dave Wilton, Saturday, November 11, 2006
A reader wrote me asking about this word. It seems she was conversing with someone from Holland and upon telling him that her husband was a mortgage broker, the Dutchman assumed he was a mortician. She wanted to know where the word mortgage came from and if it was etymologically related to mortician and mortuary.
The two words are etymologically related. They both derive from the Latin mori meaning to die (via the Old French mort). In the case of mortician, the logical connection with death is obvious, but with mortgage it is not so apparent.
In the word mortgage, the mort- is from the Latin word for death and -gage is from the sense of that word meaning a pledge to forfeit something of value if a debt is not repaid. It appears in Old French as gage mort as early as 1267. The form mort gage appears in Old French by 1283 and mortgage made its way into Anglo-Norman. Use in English dates to1390, when it appears in John Gower’s Confessio Amantis:

In mariage His trouthe plight lith in morgage.
(In marriage, His troth plight lies in mortgage.)
​

So mortgage is literally a dead pledge. It was dead for two reasons, the property was forfeit or “dead” to the borrower if the loan were not repaid and the pledge itself was dead if the loan was repaid. In the words of the 17th century English jurist (and apparently etymologist) Edward Coke in his 1628 The First Part of the Institutes of the Lawes of England:

It seemeth that the cause why it is called mortgage is, for that it is doubtful whether the Feoffor will pay at the day limited such summe or not, & if he doth not pay, then the Land which is put in pledge vpon condition for the payment of the money, is taken from him for euer, and so dead to him vpon condition, &c. And if he doth pay the money, then the pledge is dead as to the Tenant, &c.
​

(Source: Oxford English Dictionary, 3rd Edition)


Filed under: Big List

I'm sorry, but the debate and topic have nothing to do with your word epistemology. Most non-retarded people use the word "mortgage" to mean something besides "death grip." I'm sorry that you are so hung up on the root history of words which comprise our language, to the point you can't understand the language, but I don't have time to indulge retards here. We don't speak in dissection of words, it's not how human beings communicate. In order to have dialogue, we have to understand the language we're speaking to each other, and since you don't seem to comprehend how language works, it doesn't appear possible to have a dialogue with you.

http://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the-meaning-of-the-word/mortgage.html

mortgage

1.the charging of real (or personal) property by a debtor to a creditor as security for a debt (especially one incurred by the purchase of the property), on the condition that it shall be returned on payment of the debt within a certain period.
2. a deed effecting the conditions of a mortgage.
3. a loan obtained through the conveyance of property as security.
4. convey (a property) to a creditor as security on a loan.
5. expose to future risk or constraint for the sake of immediate advantage.

As we see, the word simply doesn't mean, "death grip."

Now, do you want to get back on topic, or shall we continue to ridicule your runetardation?

 

[Rune]

I'm sorry, but the debate and topic have nothing to do with your word epistemology. Most non-retarded people use the word "mortgage" to mean something besides "death grip." I'm sorry that you are so hung up on the root history of words which comprise our language, to the point you can't understand the language, but I don't have time to indulge retards here. We don't speak in dissection of words, it's not how human beings communicate. In order to have dialogue, we have to understand the language we're speaking to each other, and since you don't seem to comprehend how language works, it doesn't appear possible to have a dialogue with you.

http://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the-meaning-of-the-word/mortgage.html

mortgage

1.the charging of real (or personal) property by a debtor to a creditor as security for a debt (especially one incurred by the purchase of the property), on the condition that it shall be returned on payment of the debt within a certain period.
2. a deed effecting the conditions of a mortgage.
3. a loan obtained through the conveyance of property as security.
4. convey (a property) to a creditor as security on a loan.
5. expose to future risk or constraint for the sake of immediate advantage.

As we see, the word simply doesn't mean, "death grip."

Now, do you want to get back on topic, or shall we continue to ridicule your runetardation?

Of course it does you idiot. You either pay your death-grip, or the bank takes your home. Sounds like you inherited your double wide. Who pays your property tax for you?