AProudLefty
Black Kitty Ain't Happy
According to The Bird Trio, America was never a democratic country.
So that means our votes did not count ever?
So that means our votes did not count ever?
If we never had democracy, does that mean our votes never counted?
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The Trumpys do not have to end voting, just , make it so people do not trust it, Voting is fundamental to democracy. The people have believe in it. They should. Ecvery fucking election gets checked thoroughly and bad votes are extremely rare. Most of them are people voting mail-in for a dead spouse or parent. We have a simple system that works very well. Do you Trumpys think these impacted an election of 157 million votes? Can you guys think?https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud-print/search
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
America was a very flawed democracy from its start due to the deficient constitution penned by the framers,
The fact that more of us can't seem to see that suggests that America isn't ready for functional democracy yet.
The fact that more of us can't seem to see that suggests that America isn't ready for functional democracy yet.
Your not paying attention
Tuesday Trump will have elected scores of deniers to powerful State positions, come 2024 these people will support him regardless, and when he attempts coup 2 they will do their best to make it come about regardless of the actual vote. What I am saying is he could lose in a landslide but it won’t matter, he’ll declare victory, and they will do their best to insure it, aka, votes won’t count
Into the Night
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Voting occurs in more than just a democracy, dumbass. False dichotomy fallacy.
Into the Night
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Trump didn't conduct any coup. Democrats did.
Into the Night
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There is no democracy. It is DEMOCRATS that committed election fraud, and they still do. You can't blame Trump or anyone else for YOUR problem. Inversion fallacy.
You can't make the evidence of DEMOCRAT election fraud disappear like that either.
You can't make the evidence of DEMOCRAT election fraud disappear like that either.
The President is not elected by popular vote.
Trivialization fallacy. You can't make the evidence of election fraud by Democrats disappear, dude.
Into the Night
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The United States was never a democracy. A democracy has no constitution.
Discard of the Constitution of the United States. Discard of the constitutions of the various States.
Redefinition fallacy (oligarchy<->democracy, republic<->democracy).
Into the Night
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Trump never conducted any coup. Democrats did.
When a dumber post needs to be written, you will supply it. That is simply so stupid.
Right, all those MAGA militia storming the Capitol inspired by the Messiah weren’t there to stop Congress from fulfilling its Constitutional responsibilities, nor were all those phone calls to various State officials pleading for more votes and participation in schemes an attempted end run around the Constitution
And please, don’t start again with your election fiction and unfounded conspiracies
saltydancin
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They're still sticking with Russia's Orthodox Church rootin' tootin' Putin interpretation of "man is God" concerning his annihilation & killings in Ukraine just as SCOTUS Christian Nation interpretation of "one nation under God with equal justice under law" "serve the Pope or die" Christiananality pedophilia thieving National Archives purchased US Constitution Bill of Rights - old glorys - old testament - absentee voting ballots - Islamidiotocracy Mohammed pedophilia 9/11 arsonists more perfect crusade - jihad union really gets as old as those crooks on Capital Hill Federal Lynching KKK churchstate of hate fiefdom drug trafficking enforcement as if twins from different mothers....
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
Why have you never made any effort to learn the basics of sentence structure?
Nobody will ever know whether or not you have anything interesting to say until you learn to express yourself like a literate person.
Into the Night
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I agree. You idiots have no idea what you're messing with.
Into the Night
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MAGA isn't a militia. It is DEMOCRATS that conducted the coup (successfully, for the moment).
You are hallucinating.
You can't make the evidence of election fraud by Democrats disappear by simply denying it, dude.
The Democrat party is a conspiracy.
Your vote(s) "counted" to demonstrate your approval for representatives to represent you in the various governmental roles each was running to serve as.
YOU personally (or me or other citizen) don't get to vote directly on anything.
Geeko Sportivo
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My thoughts on this is that if you are a taxpayer- YOUR VOTE SHOULD COUNT.
For me, it's a question if we really need a two party system anymore, or even a preliminary vote- If you want to run for office, you should announce your candidacy and campaign all the way up to election time. We do not need gerrymandering, and we do not need Winner Take All states, or even the crazy delegation voting system that is not anywhere close to what Democracy stands for- I am not sure it ever did the ways we do things here.
The best way to get participation out of tax payers, is either change the date we file our taxes, or the date we have Federal elections.
We should all be voting on our Tax returns. Our ballot should be the tax return form itself.
If the people still want preliminaries, they should be settled in the tax year previous to the actual voting year. But, I believe they should end and everyone or anyone should ve allowed to run for office all the way to election day!
If it happens to be a Joint return, there should be places on the form for each spouse to cast their own individual votes on their tax return.
If it happens to be a special election for Congress, as they do become necessary from time to time, a special mail in ballot should go to everyone that receives a tax return form.
I am not talking about local or state elections- I am strictly talking about how we vote in Federal elections.
Local and state election dates should be separate and determined by the state.
There are easy ways to resolve voting issues- But I believe that this would be a fail-safe way, to keep things honest and integral, and a way fair to all political parties and race of people, to keep elections clean, trustworthy, and meaningful.
For me, it's a question if we really need a two party system anymore, or even a preliminary vote- If you want to run for office, you should announce your candidacy and campaign all the way up to election time. We do not need gerrymandering, and we do not need Winner Take All states, or even the crazy delegation voting system that is not anywhere close to what Democracy stands for- I am not sure it ever did the ways we do things here.
The best way to get participation out of tax payers, is either change the date we file our taxes, or the date we have Federal elections.
We should all be voting on our Tax returns. Our ballot should be the tax return form itself.
If the people still want preliminaries, they should be settled in the tax year previous to the actual voting year. But, I believe they should end and everyone or anyone should ve allowed to run for office all the way to election day!
If it happens to be a Joint return, there should be places on the form for each spouse to cast their own individual votes on their tax return.
If it happens to be a special election for Congress, as they do become necessary from time to time, a special mail in ballot should go to everyone that receives a tax return form.
I am not talking about local or state elections- I am strictly talking about how we vote in Federal elections.
Local and state election dates should be separate and determined by the state.
There are easy ways to resolve voting issues- But I believe that this would be a fail-safe way, to keep things honest and integral, and a way fair to all political parties and race of people, to keep elections clean, trustworthy, and meaningful.
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Bird trio? If that is who I think it is, they are referring to direct democracy which basically never existed. The New England town meeting is a type of pure democracy. Today a democracy usually refers to a representative democracy. We are still a representative democracy like the founders created but with many more democratic features than originally. Are votes the only requirement for a democracy?
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