I'll Not Yield

Darla said:
Recent history proves you wrong. I can't say I'm bothered that you haven't learned your lesson. It's obvious none of you forced-birthers have. It's okay. That actually works out pretty good for the rest of my agenda. :)
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What recent history is that Darla? It is obvious you pro-murderers are a demented bunch. Which is why you value life so callously.
 
Rana said:
I could not find stats, I just know that the majority are minorities and because of the system trying to reunite the children with their birth parent some of these children languish in foster care until they are past the age of being an infant and being desirable to adopt.

I also read that a majority of black children are being adopted by foreigners.
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from what I have read, the majority of black infants are adopted by family members.....

this article from ABC News (2005) mentions 700 overseas adoptions.....I speculate that isn't a "majority"....
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=547647&page=2#.Ucx1mZzF2ls
 
It is super hard to adopt through our foster system. My parents went through it in the 60's and 70's, my brother in the 80's and 90's, I went through it in the 2000's, my niece and my wife's best friend are going through it now. It is scary. You invest so much mental capital (love) in these kids, try to adopt them, and this goes on for a year or two, and when you get to the point of getting things completed, some obscure family member is apt to show up and throw a wrench in the works trying to take well adjusted kids (by now) out of the life you have been building for them, costing more stress and mental anguish, not to mention money for lawyers, ... Let me say that if you are seeking to adopt kids in this country ( its not that way in several others), kids of any color, you have got to be determined to do it because it isn't easy. I'm not sure it should be that hard, but that is the way it is.

My family has done well with it in OK, TX, and NM, my wife's friend not so well in OH.
 
Socrtease said:
Gotta remember to burn this term into my brain. This is EXACTLY what they are.
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Except it is not. No one is suggesting we force them to get pregnant. Everyone knows how pregnancy occurs. If you make choices and a child is the result of those choices, that childs life needs to be protected... not extinguished because you pro-murderers feel it inconveniences you.
 
Superfreak said:
so you acknowledge it is a human life, yet you care less about its right to live. Tell me again which of us is the barbarian.
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No at some point the right of the FETUS to live becomes paramount, but not from the beginning. You have forever insisted on a simpletons view of a zygote being equal to a born child. They are not and almost no society has EVER viewed them as such. Yes, it is genetically a human life. But at 20 weeks it is not the same as my 6, 7, 9, 12, or 14 year old. No amount of emotionalism will ever make them equal.
 
Socrtease said:
No at some point the right of the FETUS to live becomes paramount, but not from the beginning. You have forever insisted on a simpletons view of a zygote being equal to a born child. They are not and almost no society has EVER viewed them as such. Yes, it is genetically a human life. But at 20 weeks it is not the same as my 6, 7, 9, 12, or 14 year old. No amount of emotionalism will ever make them equal.
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No, I said a life = a life

I am not the one becoming emotional and spouting nonsense. That would be you, as evidenced by the above. I have never, not once stated that 20 weeks is the same as your kids in terms of development. I have pointed out that your 6 year old is not the same as your 14 year old in terms of development either. Which is why the 'logic' behind your position fails.

Calling the child by a stage of development does not change the fact that it is a human life. A life you wish people to be able to end based predominantly for convenience sake.
 
BAC, good writeup re number of abortions and how many adoptions there are in the country. Too bad SF didn't read it before his last post.

SF, when you can get pregnant, you can let us know how it feels to be pregnant, to decide whether to have an abortion or not, what it's like to have a kid adopted, etc., ok?

For example this statement of yours is totally wrong for most women who have abortions.
Abortion does not give a woman closure. She then has a lifetime of living with the fact that she gave her child no choice, no chance, no life.
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tekkychick said:
BAC, good writeup re number of abortions and how many adoptions there are in the country. Too bad SF didn't read it before his last post.

SF, when you can get pregnant, you can let us know how it feels to be pregnant, to decide whether to have an abortion or not, what it's like to have a kid adopted, etc., ok?


For example this statement of yours is totally wrong for most women who have abortions.
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SF doesn't have children and thanks to his stupidity, probably never will.
 
blackascoal said:
There are over a million abortions in the US every year .. and your suggestion is what? Adoption?

Here's the punch line .. most of those who fail to think this through .. like you .. are generally the same people whining about food stamps, affirmative action, entitlements, public school funding and a whole shitload of programs designed to benefit HUMANS .. THE LIVE ONES.

Tell me that you aren't equally that confused about life .. right after you tell me what happens to the million plus children that cannot be placed in an adoptive home.
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awesome answer!
 
I assume SF is one of those people who think all the leftover eggs from IVF will also somehow be implanted...

If a million children were up for adoption every year, we do not have enough couples to adopt them. And we don't have enough women for all the eggs in storage.

Unless, of course, you're into forcing other people to be pregnant.

Sad, SF, very sad.
 
Superfreak said:
No, I said a life = a life

I am not the one becoming emotional and spouting nonsense. That would be you, as evidenced by the above. I have never, not once stated that 20 weeks is the same as your kids in terms of development. I have pointed out that your 6 year old is not the same as your 14 year old in terms of development either. Which is why the 'logic' behind your position fails.

Calling the child by a stage of development does not change the fact that it is a human life. A life you wish people to be able to end based predominantly for convenience sake.
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You DID just say that 20 weeks is the same as Soc's kids...you JUST said a life = a life.
 
tekkychick said:
I assume SF is one of those people who think all the leftover eggs from IVF will also somehow be implanted...

If a million children were up for adoption every year, we do not have enough couples to adopt them. And we don't have enough women for all the eggs in storage.

Unless, of course, you're into forcing other people to be pregnant.

Sad, SF, very sad.
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I hope technology becomes such that in the future men can carry the fetus they don't want aborted! I am sure that abortion will become a thing of the past!
 
tekkychick said:
SF, when you can get pregnant, you can let us know how it feels to be pregnant, to decide whether to have an abortion or not, what it's like to have a kid adopted, etc., ok?
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and when you are killed in the womb you can let us know what it feels like to be aborted.....
 
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