I'll Not Yield

blackascoal said:
WHAT?

Do the math .. more than a million abortions every year .. between 12.000 and 18.000 adoptions.

Quite obviously, the truth of that answer is too much for you to handle honestly. No rocket science about it.



What a foolish answer. Simply foolish .. and GLARINGLY evasive.



I've already done that. more than a million abortions .. between 12 and 18,000 adoptions. Show me the statistics that demonstrate the remaining 980,000+ babies will be placed in good homes.
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My wife and I would like to adopt and we meet all the qualifications and we'd make great parents but oh good lord the obstacles and the costs. No wonder there are so few adoptions.
 
From Howeys link (granted Howey used a very dated article)

Interest in the adoption of infants has grown. As members of the large Baby Boom group have reached their reproductive years and more individuals delay child bearing, the incidence of infertility has increased. While many infertile individuals seek to conceive through reproductive technologies, many consider the adoption of infants as the path to forming their families. In 1988, the data showed that at any one time, 200,000 women were considering adopting; by 1995, some 500,000 women were, at any one time, considering adoption. The number of individuals wanting to adopt infants greatly exceeds the number of infants available for adoption in this country.
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From a website of FAQ from people interested in becoming foster parents (which by the way is considered to be the fastest track for becoming an adoptive parent....

What age group represents the greatest need for foster homes?

About 7% of children in foster care are under the age of 1; about 30% are between the ages of 1 and 5. There are around 27% between the ages of 6 to 12. Approximately 32% are over 12 years old. The majority of children come into care with siblings. Our greatest need is for homes to take a sibling group of 2 or more school age children and teens.
What if I only want infants?

We usually have a need for families to foster infants. However, many of these infants are part of a larger sibling group. Most of the infants coming into care are drug exposed. Many of them have been born prematurely and may need lots of attention and holding, or may have medical needs and complications. You will need to be prepared with a crib, infant car seat, swing, etc. if you want to foster infants. You should be open to receive the placement 24/7 without much information on the child’s history.
How long do foster children usually stay in the foster home?

The length of placement varies from a few days to a few years. Generally a placement will last around one year.
What happens to foster children when they leave my home?

While children are in foster care, Child Protective Services is working with the family to rectify the problems that caused the children to come into care to begin with. There are services offered to the parents such as alcohol and drug rehabilitation, anger management counseling, and parenting classes. If the parent shows progress in getting their life under control, the children will be returned to the parent after many supervised visits. The state will continue to monitor the family to insure the child’s safety. If the parent cannot overcome the barriers to parenting, a relative or an adoptive family will be sought. A good number of foster children are adopted by their foster families.
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Superfreak said:
So you think abortion should only be discussed by women? Women who would take the life of a child for convenience should be the ones deciding? That is what you cannot get through your think skull. The unborn are not able to defend themselves from women such as you. They have the right to have someone stand up for them and their lives.
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You can discuss whatever you want. But you're not going to have any say in it. If the last election didn't send you that message, and you didn't get it from Davis, don't worry! More to come.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
My wife and I would like to adopt and we meet all the qualifications and we'd make great parents but oh good lord the obstacles and the costs. No wonder there are so few adoptions.
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fostering is the recommended approach but you have to be prepared for heartbreaks......

I have friends in Chicago who fostered.....they had a girl from infancy to age 4 who had been born to a cocaine addicted prostitute.....when she was four the courts ordered the girl be returned to her mother.....three years later they got the child back again when the mother was caught trying to sell her for sex....then parental rights were finally terminated when she was nine and they adopted her......she is now a nurse in the Chicago area and has a family of her own, two kids.....and yes, Howie, the parents are both white and she is black.....
 
Again, I am floored that SF who objects to being taxed at the point of a gun has NO PROBLEM with the government trying to force a woman to remain pregnant at the point of a gun. That is something that Romania did when it was a communist government.
 
Socrtease said:
Again, I am floored that SF who objects to being taxed at the point of a gun has NO PROBLEM with the government trying to force a woman to remain pregnant at the point of a gun. That is something that Romania did when it was a communist government.
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He's probably the biggest so-called "libertarian" offender of this, and that is why I had that signature about "get government out of my taxes and into women's vaginas where it belongs" . It caused an uproar.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
fostering is the recommended approach but you have to be prepared for heartbreaks......

I have friends in Chicago who fostered.....they had a girl from infancy to age 4 who had been born to a cocaine addicted prostitute.....when she was four the courts ordered the girl be returned to her mother.....three years later they got the child back again when the mother was caught trying to sell her for sex....then parental rights were finally terminated when she was nine and they adopted her......she is now a nurse in the Chicago area and has a family of her own, two kids.....and yes, Howie, the parents are both white and she is black.....
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That's a very cool story.
 
Darla said:
He's probably the biggest so-called "libertarian" offender of this, and that is why I had that signature about "get government out of my taxes and into women's vaginas where it belongs" . It caused an uproar.
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Libertarians don't believe in government force in any way shape or form. We are for the most part Pro-choice, anti-death penalty, pro-same sex marriage, pro-simple taxes, limited government. A government that gets involved in reproduction is NOT limited.
 
blackascoal said:
:0) They don't know you .. don't know that you're incapable of thinking for yourself.

Why do you think they cost less?

The answer is in the article.
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Which again is irrelevant to my point. I think they all should cost less. The point is they are still getting adopted.
 
Darla said:
You can discuss whatever you want. But you're not going to have any say in it. If the last election didn't send you that message, and you didn't get it from Davis, don't worry! More to come.
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lol... your fantasy world is about as bad as Jarod's. If you think we are going to leave the decision up to those who could care less about ending a life... think again.
 
Superfreak said:
lol... your fantasy world is about as bad as Jarod's. If you think we are going to leave the decision up to those who could care less about ending a life... think again.
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Recent history proves you wrong. I can't say I'm bothered that you haven't learned your lesson. It's obvious none of you forced-birthers have. It's okay. That actually works out pretty good for the rest of my agenda. :)
 
Superfreak said:
Again, like the others, you resort to showing foster care in general. I understand the fact that the above is true for older kids. We are talking about newborns here. How many of those kids have been in the system since birth?
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I could not find stats, I just know that the majority are minorities and because of the system trying to reunite the children with their birth parent some of these children languish in foster care until they are past the age of being an infant and being desirable to adopt.

I also read that a majority of black children are being adopted by foreigners.
 
Socrtease said:
Again, I am floored that SF who objects to being taxed at the point of a gun has NO PROBLEM with the government trying to force a woman to remain pregnant at the point of a gun. That is something that Romania did when it was a communist government.
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and I am floored that you would dehumanize the child and pretend its life doesnt matter or factor into the discussion.
 
Darla said:
Recent history proves you wrong. I can't say I'm bothered that you haven't learned your lesson. It's obvious none of you forced-birthers have. It's okay. That actually works out pretty good for the rest of my agenda. :)
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Gotta remember to burn this term into my brain. This is EXACTLY what they are.
 
Rana said:
I could not find stats, I just know that the majority are minorities and because of the system trying to reunite the children with their birth parent some of these children languish in foster care until they are past the age of being an infant and being desirable to adopt.

I also read that a majority of black children are being adopted by foreigners.
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Yes, because they do not exist. There are no newborns going unadopted. It simply isn't happening. There is a problem with older kids who are put up for adoption. But that is not what we are discussing.
 
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