I'll Not Yield

Superfreak said:
1) That is from 1999
2) That talks about the foster care system
3) It does not show newborns having a problem getting adopted.
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Then find something else that proves your point. The fact is non-black infants are in high demand, all others aren't. Why do you think so many children were being adopted from Russia and like countries?

Now. Prove otherwise.
 
Superfreak said:
Yes and how many adoptions are there from foreign countries?
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WHAT?

Do the math .. more than a million abortions every year .. between 12.000 and 18.000 adoptions.

Quite obviously, the truth of that answer is too much for you to handle honestly. No rocket science about it.

Which is nonsense. For one, I have thought it through. It is those that make choices without thinking it through that are the ones that want to kill a child because they were too stupid to think thinks through ahead of time.
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What a foolish answer. Simply foolish .. and GLARINGLY evasive.

Show me what makes you think that they cannot be placed. What are the adoption stats that you are reading?
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I've already done that. more than a million abortions .. between 12 and 18,000 adoptions. Show me the statistics that demonstrate the remaining 980,000+ babies will be placed in good homes.
 
Howey said:
OMG! She's a cutie!

The subject of adoption has always irritated me. The standard of our society dictates that only white, healthy infants are adopted. All others are hit and miss, dependent upon the prejudices and sincerity of the adoptive parents; as well as the whims and prejudices of state bureaucracies.
I've said before on here that there's children rotting away in group homes, thousands and thousands of them, feeling unloved and thinking perhaps it could have been better if they had been aborted.
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:0) Thank you brother.

You and I share the exact same sentiments about this issue.
 
blackascoal said:
You're so far off base about so much in your reply that it makes no sense to waste time challenging it. You believe that you and your beliefs are more important than all else .. birth mother be damned.

Here's a question for you .. suppose abortion was illegal .. how many adoptions take place compared with the number of abortions in the US?

Based on available state-level data, an estimated 1.16 million abortions were performed in 2009, 1.13 million were performed in 2010, and 1.06 million in 2011
http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/

Of the roughly 14,000 to 18,000 infant adoptions each year, about 55 percent are fully open
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-03-21/infant-adoptions-more-open/53680622/1

Congressional Coalition of Adoption Institute
Facts and Statistics

In the U.S. 400,540 children are living without permanent families in the foster care system. 115,000 of these children are eligible for adoption, but nearly 40% of these children will wait over three years in foster care before being adopted.
Source: AFCARS Report, No. 19

According to the U.S. State Department, U.S. families adopted more than 9,000 children in 2011. Last year, Americans adopted the highest number of children from China, followed by Ethiopia, Russia, South Korea, and Ukraine.
Source: United States State Department

No child under three years of age should be placed in institutional care without a parent or primary caregiver. This is based on results from 32 European countries, including nine in-depth country studies, which considered the “risk of harm in terms of attachment disorder, developmental delay and neural atrophy in the developing brain."
Source: Mapping the Number and Characteristics of Children Under Three in Institutions Across Europe at Risk of Harm: Executive Summary

Children raised in orphanages have an IQ 20 points lower than their peers in foster care, according to a meta-analysis of 75 studies (more than 3,800 children in 19 countries). This shows the need for children to be raised in families, not in institutions.
Source: IQ of Children Growing Up in Children's Homes A Meta-Analysis on IQ Delays in Orphanages

Each year, over 27,000 youth “age out” of foster care without the emotional and financial support necessary to succeed. This number has steadily risen over the past decade. Nearly 40% had been homeless or couch surfed, nearly 60% of young men had been convicted of a crime, and only 48% were employed. 75% of women and 33% of men receive government benefits to meet basic needs. 50% of all youth who aged out were involved in substance use and 17% of the females were pregnant.
Source: Fostering Connections

Nearly 25% of youth aging out did not have a high school diploma or GED, and a mere 6% had finished a two- or four-year degree after aging out of foster care. One study shows 70% of all youth in foster care have the desire to attend college.
Source: Midwest Evaluation of the Adult Functioning of Former Foster Youth

As of 2011, nearly 60,000 children in foster care in the U.S. are placed in institutions or group homes, not in traditional foster homes.
Source: AFCARS Report, No. 19

States spent a mere 1.2-1.3% of available federal funds on parent recruitment and training services even though 22% of children in foster care had adoption as their goal.
Source: Adoption Advocate No. 6: Parent Recruitment and Training: A Crucial, Neglected Child

Over three years is the average length of time a child waits to be adopted in foster care. Roughly 55% of these children have had three or more placements. An earlier study found that 33% of children had changed elementary schools five or more times, losing relationships and falling behind educationally.
Source: AFCARS Report, No. 19

Adopted children make-up roughly 2% of the total child population under the age of 18, but 11% of all adolescents referred for therapy have been adopted. Post-adoption services are important to all types of adoption, whether foster care adoption, international adoption, or domestic infant adoption.
Source: Behavior Problems and Mental Health Contacts in Adopted, Foster and Nonadopted Children
http://www.ccainstitute.org/why-we-do-it-/facts-and-statistics.html

If you don't know any of this, then you don't know as much as you think you do about adoption.

This is what you claim .. "an infant will be adopted within weeks, the children in foster homes who have not been adopted have not been adopted because they weren't eligible for adoption until after they were 12."

This is what the facts are ..

U.S. Newborn

Average time from preparation of portfolio to match with birthmother (includes time spent in false starts):
Less than 3 months....................34%
4 to 6 months............................19%
7 to 12 months...........................20%
13 to 24 months.........................17%
Longer than 24 months...............10%
http://www.adoptivefamilies.com/articles.php?aid=2161

66% take longer than 3 months .. not weeks .. and almost half take longer than a year .. not weeks.

NEWBORNS

If abortions were not made available to women, there is no way in hell that this or any other system could handle the crush of unwanted babies.

No need for either of us to get our hackles up .. this is just a conversation. Let the evidence speak for itself.
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your cite does not contradict the fact that the length of time it takes to place a child for adoption, for more than a third less than three months, for two thirds less than nine months.....this would include fifteen year old children who's parents have had their parental rights terminated........this is from the date the mother decides to put the child up for adoption, not from the birth of the child....(incidentally, in Michigan, the law gives the mother three months from the date of birth to change her mind.....therefore no adoptions are permitted to go forward until the child is three months old...our children were in foster care from birth until parental rights were terminated.......we also had court supervision for nine months after placement, so the adoption was not finalized until the child was a year old).....

it also states that the average cost of adoption is over $30k which obviously removes a lot of young couples from the possibility.....

back in the 80s my wife and I were on the waiting list for 5 years before we got our first (we were on the list for 3 being vetted before we were allowed to be on the list for consideration)....we had to wait an additional 3 years for our second.....

currently the majority of abortions are from women who used no birth control........if abortions were not available I think it is logical to conclude the number of unwanted pregnancies would decline significantly.......

make it easier and cheaper to adopt and I don't think it would be difficult to place all the children.....
 
The Dude said:
If ladies were allowed to tell these freaks to not mastrubate or raw dog they might have a votive!
Otherwise keep rap dancing with Karl rove!
Abortion is not being redecided
Woman vote
More of them get educated
Stfu old get off my lawn dude
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I do not even want to know what raw dogging is, but I think I agree! I love the helmeted spin class thing! LOL
 
Howey said:
Then find something else that proves your point. The fact is non-black infants are in high demand, all others aren't. Why do you think so many children were being adopted from Russia and like countries?

Now. Prove otherwise.
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My point is that a couple of people have stated the same as you did above, yet none of you have shown anything to back up your assertion.

Show us where there are black babies that are not being adopted.
 
Darla said:
It is anything but lame. It is exactly the point, and one you refuse to ever get into your head. It's the entire situation in a nutshell. It says it all.
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So you think abortion should only be discussed by women? Women who would take the life of a child for convenience should be the ones deciding? That is what you cannot get through your think skull. The unborn are not able to defend themselves from women such as you. They have the right to have someone stand up for them and their lives.
 
Howey said:
Once again. I never post anything I don't know the answer to.

http://www.adoptioninstitute.org/proed/forum99.html
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from your link...

Who are the Children in Foster Care Who Need Adoptive Families ["Waiting Children"]?

The majority of children in foster care who need adoptive families often referred to as "waiting children -- have "special needs." "Special needs is a term that generally refers to characteristics that may make it difficult to place a child for adoption factors such as older age, membership in a racial or ethnic minority group, being a part of a sibling group, or a physical or mental disability. Children in foster care who are waiting for adoptive families cross all age ranges, but the vast majority of waiting children are older. More than one-third of waiting children are between 1 and 5 years of age and close to 45% are between the ages of 6 and 12. Approximately 60% of waiting children are children of color. Although there are no definitive data, many waiting children have physical, emotional and developmental needs that require special services.
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and...
Are Fewer Infants Available for Adoption?

The number of infants available for adoption has significantly declined over the last few decades. With changes in societal attitudes toward contraceptive use, abortion and non-marital parenting, fewer women make the choice to place their children for adoption. Among never-married Caucasian women, the relinquishment rate declined from 19% of all non-marital births in 1965-1972 to between 2% and 3% in the 1990s. African American and Latina women historically have not placed their infants for adoption -- fewer than 2% have at any time chosen adoption as the option for their newborns.

Are More People Wanting to Adopt Infants?

Interest in the adoption of infants has grown. As members of the large Baby Boom group have reached their reproductive years and more individuals delay child bearing, the incidence of infertility has increased. While many infertile individuals seek to conceive through reproductive technologies, many consider the adoption of infants as the path to forming their families. In 1988, the data showed that at any one time, 200,000 women were considering adopting; by 1995, some 500,000 women were, at any one time, considering adoption. The number of individuals wanting to adopt infants greatly exceeds the number of infants available for adoption in this country.
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blackascoal said:
WHAT?

Do the math .. more than a million abortions every year .. between 12.000 and 18.000 adoptions.

Quite obviously, the truth of that answer is too much for you to handle honestly. No rocket science about it.
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The above is again nothing but nonsense. The fact is that you are scared to show anything that says newborns are not getting adopted. Because you know it is not a problem. You want to pretend that if all the abortions instead were put up for adoption that there would simply be too many. You base that on nothing.

http://www.adoptivefamilies.com/articles.php?aid=1618

What a foolish answer. Simply foolish .. and GLARINGLY evasive.
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1) It was not evasive in the least.
2) What I stated was 100% accurate. You simply refuse to see it because you wish to continue dehumanizing the unborn child so that you can justify taking its life.

I've already done that. more than a million abortions .. between 12 and 18,000 adoptions. Show me the statistics that demonstrate the remaining 980,000+ babies will be placed in good homes.
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To be sure, the number of infant placements in the U.S. has dropped in recent decades. In the mid-1970s, as many as 49,000 American infants were placed for adoption each year. In 2007, the most recent year for which accurate numbers exist, there were an estimated 18,000 domestic newborn, non-relative adoptions.
The drop in the number of newborn adoptions since the 1970s coincides with a decline in the percentage of single mothers placing children for adoption, down from nine percent in the 1970s to 1.4 percent in 2002, according to the National Survey of Family Growth. As the stigma against single parenthood has diminished over the last 35 years, so has the number of children placed for adoption.
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read the link I posted, the reason the number of adoptions of newborns has dropped is because fewer women are putting them up for adoption in the US... not to mention it has become harder to adopt internationally as well...

http://www.npr.org/2011/11/17/142344354/fewer-babies-available-for-adoption-by-u-s-parents


You are the one that should back your claim and show us where it is that newborns are not being adopted.
 
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