I’m changing my party affiliation

[Into the Night]

Let me give you a little shortcut to the chase as you make your decision!

If you want to preserve Democracy- the decision is clear!

And I would certainly like to invite you to give the Democrats a try. We certainly have our problems, but we are a Big Tent party and even the most conservative thinkers have a place in our party and are certainly welcome! As long as you are an optimist and a pragmatic we want you to be a part of our party.

You don't have to make a lifetime commitment!

But until the Republicans prove they are pro-Democracy, respect the law, and stop with all of the TRUMP infused crazyness- it is a safer place to hang your hat!

The United States was never a democracy. It was organized as a federated republic. Democrats do not want a democracy either. They want an oligarchy. The only craziness is you and other Democrats.

 

[Into the Night]

What was the French Revolution of 1805, Gardener? That was a year after Napoleon crowned himself Emperor. He was certainly bent on imposing his will on all of Europe, but in what way was he Left?

The French Revolution began in 1789 against King Louise XVI and lasted 3 years with the formation of the 1st Republic in 1792. Napoleon became emperor in 1804 and reigned until 1814, when he was deposed after losing the war with Russia and its allies. He was rather left, using the spoils of war to fund the rest of France and his continued aggression. Despite being deposed as emperor, he still waged war, finally suffering final defeat at the hands of the Prussian army (one of the Russian allies) in Belgium in 1815 at the Battle of Waterloo. He died in exile, just six years later, apparently by the poor conditions of the place of his exile, including cold, dampness, and arsenic used in constructing the walls of Longwood House, where he was exiled. The cause of his death is still debated.

ADDED The same goes for Hitler: he wasn't left either.

Hitler was a fascist. That is a form of socialism. He was left. This claim of being 'hard right' is one of the more common lies of the Democrats. Hitler funded his wars and the Nazi party by confiscating wealth from his enemies, including the Jews.

He would never have made it past President Hindenburg and the army in 1933 if they had seriously thought he was left.

Hitler formed his own army.

But nothing I can say will stop you riding your hobby horse on that.

Cliche fallacy. Assumption of victory fallacy. Denial of history. Redefinition fallacies.

 

[Into the Night]

Oh please stop with the hateful misconceptions! You are an example of why people should be jumping ship with the Republicans.

And your expressed hatred and insane rhetoric is the reason why we are recruiting millions of Republicans to vote along with us until TRUMP goes away for the good of the Country!

Can't stand the truth, can you?

 

[Into the Night]

Stop picking nits. If I got the year wrong, the concept remains. The French Revolution that ended with Napolean taking power was Leftist.

No. The French Revolution was a revolt against a leftist king, King Louise XVI and his tax and financial policies.
It actually did result in the 1st Republic. This brief moment in the history of France actually had a constitution.

Unfortunately, Napoleon seized power in 1804 and became emperor and that constitution was discarded. His wars across Europe was entirely funded by stealing everything from his enemies, and also was used to fund the empire itself. They lasted until Napoleon overextended his resources and the rest of Europe started to form an alliance against him. He lost in Russia, resulting in his being deposed as emperor in 1814. He was still the general of the armee however, and continue his wars. He was finally defeated for good in Belgium at the hands of the Prussian army (one of the allies), at the Battle of Waterloo.

Despite all this, some good things came out of it:
* The widespread adoption of preserving food by sterilization in bottles (and later cans).
* Getting rid of useless doctors and putting surgeons in charge (then not considered real doctors!), and the concept of the ambulance. With so much raw material to practice on (wounded soldiers), medicine was bound to improve! No more fancy chat. It was the wound they were after to treat, never mind your status in life, or making up lists of 'symptoms' like Nostalgia.
* The sale of the Louisiana Territory to the United States, effectively doubling the size of the United States at the time.
* Improving the overall education system in France, even if it was by use of public (government funded) schools that were funded by the wars.

 

[Into the Night]

Ah, that's what you are, one of the word misnomer "Nineteen Eighty-Four" types the Net has been spawning, and who would be gently dismissed as bonkers from any history studies program.

The story '1984' is a fictional story written by George Orwell about the coming of totalitarian rule. This is the type of rule imposed by Mussolini, Hitler, and Stalin. Orwell's works were written as a warning of just such dictators and how they come to power.
Orwell wrote several fictional stories along the same theme, including 'Animal Farm'.

It is YOU that is denying history AND the story known as '1984'.

 

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The Civil Rights Act is taught in middle and high schools. Slavery too. Among other things. Nobody has ever had any problem with that.



Now we get to the nexus of the problem. It is what is called a political straw man. Nobody is teaching them that.

I can make a claim that the public schools are teaching the students that they should feel guilty for the Holocaust because of the privilege and we should pay reparations for the Jews. Oddly enough I believe some of those same people would believe it and screech that it has to be stopped being taught in public schools.

How do you know that? You don't have any school age children and you're not a teacher.

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

Hitler was a fascist. That is a form of socialism. He was left. This claim of being 'hard right' is one of the more common lies of the Democrats.

The Deutschnationale Volkspartei (DNVP) was the major right-wing conservative party in Weimar Germany before the rise of the Nazis. It was an alliance of nationalists, reactionary monarchists and antisemites.

Why did the DNVP back the arch-conservative President Hindenburg’s appointment of Hitler as Chancellor in 1933, enabling him to form his first government? Was it because, like Hindenburg, they were secret lefties?

Hitler formed his own army.

Hitler had gangs of street fighters. The first units of Waffen SS (SS army) made their appearance c. 1940.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

It's odd, because I know nothing about Sinema save for the fact that she used to be left of A.O.C.

I'm guessing the money showed up and things changed.

There is something about DC that does that. Power? Money? Fame? Whatever it is, she doesn't appear to be representing those who voted for her. But then that's the problem with gerrymandering. The elected one only represents those who voted them in; everyone else in their district ceases to exist. As a Senator she's theoretically supposed to represent everyone in her state. My guess is she's been getting a lot more feedback from (R) voters than from (D)s.

 

[AProudLefty]

How do you know that? You don't have any school age children and you're not a teacher.

Know what? That they are teaching CRT?

 

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Know what? That they are teaching CRT?

Duh!!

 

[AProudLefty]

Duh!!

So if you know they are teaching that, all you need is to provide any DIRECT evidence.

 

[Althea]

There is something about DC that does that. Power? Money? Fame? Whatever it is, she doesn't appear to be representing those who voted for her. But then that's the problem with gerrymandering. The elected one only represents those who voted them in; everyone else in their district ceases to exist. As a Senator she's theoretically supposed to represent everyone in her state. My guess is she's been getting a lot more feedback from (R) voters than from (D)s.

If by 'feedback', you mean 'money', then you are correct.

On Friday, Sinema’s campaign filed a fundraising report with the Federal Election Commission indicating that she had raised $1.1 million from July 1 through Sept. 30—about equal to the amount she raised in the previous three months. But included on the list of her max donors—donors who gave up to the legal limit of $2,900 per election, with a maximum of $5,800 every two years—were some huge names from Republican fundraising circles.

 

[Into the Night]

The Deutschnationale Volkspartei (DNVP) was the major right-wing conservative party in Weimar Germany before the rise of the Nazis. It was an alliance of nationalists, reactionary monarchists and antisemites.

Why did the DNVP back the arch-conservative President Hindenburg’s appointment of Hitler as Chancellor in 1933, enabling him to form his first government? Was it because, like Hindenburg, they were secret lefties?

Nope. They were moderate (centrists). They fell for Hitler's honeyed speech. He promised to put Germany back on it's feet economically again, and he did.
All of them understood the disaster of the Versailles treaty...the treaty that led to WW2. Some of them joined the NAZI party. Others plotted to assassinate Hitler (without success).

Why is this important to you?

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

Hitler was a fascist. That is a form of socialism. He was left.

Why didn't they say "Unite the Left", then?