Is a black person calling another black person an Uncle Tom racist?

Is calling a black person Uncle Tom racist

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AProudLefty said:
In other words, she's a pretend Uncle Tom for the money and fame.
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Does anyone doubt there are lots of Euro-American men and women selling their souls for money? Tucker, Rush, Coulter and Hannity are only the most popular. Why deny Owens the same right?
 
AProudLefty said:
That is true. Equal opportunity racism.
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It's the racists seeking to deny them equal opportunity to scam stupid people.

Let's be honest; you and I could make a lot more money off of RW suckers than we could LW suckers. Put up a website, fill it with White Supremacist bullshit and then ask for donations. :thup:
 
Doc Dutch said:
It's the racists seeking to deny them equal opportunity to scam stupid people.

Let's be honest; you and I could make a lot more money off of RW suckers than we could LW suckers. Put up a website, fill it with White Supremacist bullshit and then ask for donations. :thup:
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If you would be willing to be on the FBI watch list. :)
 
Doc Dutch said:
Respectfully disagreed, ma'am. :flagsal:

Read the post you quoted of me; it explains why you're a racist. You know, the part you don't want to discuss.
Why do you refuse to address them?
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Nothing to disagree with Dutch. I said that AFTER you called me racist, and would be fine discussing it once you cite for me the statement i made prior that you called racist.


If i said something racist prior why do you not just quote it Dutch? Is it because you lied and you know you did?
 
AProudLefty said:
In other words, she's a pretend Uncle Tom for the money and fame.
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I think you can argue all Uncle Tom's ar pretend Uncle Toms for some form of payment, whether it be acceptance, not to be punished (slave days) or money today.

The comment basically means the person is selling out people who share a trait with them to ingratiate themselves with others who denigrate that trait.
 
QP! said:
Nothing to disagree with Dutch. I said that AFTER you called me racist, and would be fine discussing it once you cite for me the statement i made prior that you called racist.


If i said something racist prior why do you not just quote it Dutch? Is it because you lied and you know you did?
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No worries, QP. You're allowed to be a racist and label people Uncle Toms, race traitors or whatever you like. Lots of racists on JPP. You're in the majority. Congrats!

Okay, QP, here:
QP! said:
It is not racist for a white person to call a black person an Uncle Tom, if the person is an Uncle Tom.

An Uncle Tom is 'a black person who understands they can receive benefit from white racists by being the face of their racist views, denigrate other blacks, in a way that will gain them favor and benefit from the racists.' Ie Candice Owen.

You can say it is 'mean' to use such a loaded term but describing Candace Owen and others, as i do in my definition above, is entirely appropriate.

If you are applying the term broad brush against blacks then it would be racist.
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Disagreeing with you is how this little conversation started. Don't you remember?
 
Doc Dutch said:
Translation: Owens is a race traitor.

Admit it, QP, you hate her because she's a race traitor, not because she's like Ann Coulter making a buck off suckers.
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I do not have to admit your erroneous description.

Again, my point in this thread was to say there is a thing where 'the person is selling out people who share a trait with them to ingratiate themselves with others who denigrate that trait'. I said i do not care if you call it an Uncle Tom or not, but what i do not want is for people who object to the term Uncle Tom (which i am fine with them objecting) also objecting to this definition (the person is selling out people who share a trait with them to ingratiate themselves with others who denigrate that trait).

The 'selling out' does not have to be race based, but historically the connotation of the Uncle Tom is.

So again for the dumbest amongst us, i am saying do not throw out the baby (definition of the persons actions) because you do not like the use of the bath water (the words 'uncle tom').


It is not racist to say those types of people who will sell others out in that regard exist, as they do exist.
 
QP! said:
It is not racist for a white person to call a black person an Uncle Tom, if the person is an Uncle Tom.

An Uncle Tom is 'a black person who understands they can receive benefit from white racists by being the face of their racist views, denigrate other blacks, in a way that will gain them favor and benefit from the racists.' Ie Candice Owen.

You can say it is 'mean' to use such a loaded term but describing Candace Owen and others, as i do in my definition above, is entirely appropriate.

If you are applying the term broad brush against blacks then it would be racist.
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I get what you mean. You would be correct in that it is not racist to call her Uncle Tom.
 
QP! said:
I do not have to admit your erroneous description.

Again, my point in this thread was to say there is a thing where 'the person is selling out people who share a trait with them to ingratiate themselves with others who denigrate that trait'. I said i do not care if you call it an Uncle Tom or not, but what i do not want is for people who object to the term Uncle Tom (which i am fine with them objecting) also objecting to this definition (the person is selling out people who share a trait with them to ingratiate themselves with others who denigrate that trait).

The 'selling out' does not have to be race based, but historically the connotation of the Uncle Tom is.

So again for the dumbest amongst us, i am saying do not throw out the baby (definition of the persons actions) because you do not like the use of the bath water (the words 'uncle tom').


It is not racist to say those types of people who will sell others out in that regard exist, as they do exist.
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Correct. You have the right to plead the Fifth just like Trump. :thup:

The trait here is a fiction: "race". There is no such thing as linked before but you refuse to acknowledge it. Here's another link proving you're a racist for thinking there are "races": https://www.britannica.com/topic/ra...ic-explanations-of-human-biological-variation
Those who deny the biological salience of race or argue against the use of the term have been labeled “lumpers.” The latter see their position as being buttressed and confirmed by ongoing genetic and other research. They emphasize the failure of science to establish exclusive boundaries around populations or lines of rigid distinctions that the term race conveys. They also point to the evidence demonstrating that all people regardless of their physical variations are capable of learning any kind of cultural behaviour. They argue that genes and cultural conditioning work in tandem and together contribute to the formation of individual personalities.

An increasing number of scholars and other educated people now believe that the concept of race has outlived its usefulness. Social scientists, biologists, historians, and philosophers now point out that increasing migration and changes in attitudes toward human differences have brought about extensive intermingling of peoples so that a growing number of people have ancestors originating in three or more continents. Such “mixed” people are not easily lumped into a single “racial” category. As a result, many scholars perceive that “race” is becoming more and more irrelevant and may eventually be eliminated as people increasingly are recognized in terms of their ethnic or cultural identities, occupations, education, and local affiliations.
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Get a clue, QP. Join the 21st Century. :thup:
 
Doc Dutch said:
No worries, QP. You're allowed to be a racist and label people Uncle Toms, race traitors or whatever you like. Lots of racists on JPP. You're in the majority. Congrats!

Okay, QP, here:

Disagreeing with you is how this little conversation started. Don't you remember?
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I remember exactly and already cited that explanation perfectly.

What do you see as racist in that?

Do you think this i said is wrong and is not a thing that exists in our society...
'a black person who understands they can receive benefit from white racists by being the face of their racist views, denigrate other blacks, in a way that will gain them favor and benefit from the racists.' Ie Candice Owen.
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Are you saying it is racist to say that exists or just to use the term Uncle Tom to describe it? A term i stated just became the place holder for that definition.
 
AProudLefty said:
I get what you mean. You would be correct in that it is not racist to call her Uncle Tom.
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I know i am correct but i am swatting the troll now.

A troll whose position on race being a social construct i 100% agree with but that does not change the fact that people see these superficial skin deep differences and a person like Candace Owens, can be an 'uncle Tom' as a way to profit off it from others.

Dutch is taking the position that discrimination does not exist as race does not exist, which is just stupid. Race may not exist but discrimination does and as long as it does Uncle Toms can take advantage of that.
 
QP! said:
I remember exactly and already cited that explanation perfectly.

What do you see as racist in that?

Do you think this i said is wrong and is not a thing that exists in our society...

Are you saying it is racist to say that exists or just to use the term Uncle Tom to describe it? A term i stated just became the place holder for that definition.
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Ask Proud Lefty since you don't like any of my answers. He doesn't have to agree with me to see that I've 'splained it to you several times now. :)

The fact remains that anyone who divides people by skin-tone is being racist.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/racism
Racism, the belief that humans may be divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called “races”; that there is a causal link between inherited physical traits and traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural and behavioral features; and that some races are innately superior to others. The term is also applied to political, economic, or legal institutions and systems that engage in or perpetuate discrimination on the basis of race or otherwise reinforce racial inequalities in wealth and income, education, health care, civil rights, and other areas. Such institutional, structural, or systemic racism became a particular focus of scholarly investigation in the 1980s with the emergence of critical race theory, an offshoot of the critical legal studies movement. Since the late 20th century the notion of biological race has been recognized as a cultural invention, entirely without scientific basis.
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QP! said:
I know i am correct but i am swatting the troll now.

A troll whose position on race being a social construct i 100% agree with but that does not change the fact that people see these superficial skin deep differences and a person like Candace Owens, can be an 'uncle Tom' as a way to profit off it from others.

Dutch is taking the position that discrimination does not exist as race does not exist, which is just stupid. Race may not exist but discrimination does and as long as it does Uncle Toms can take advantage of that.
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I'm happy to be swatted by people upset with my opinion. It's telling. :)

I❤when people lie about me
There is not a single post on this forum of me saying discrimination doesn't exist. In fact, I'm saying the very opposite: that people like you are discriminating against their fellow human beings based upon the color of their skin. The Trumpers do it all the time which is why it's so notable when a LWer does it. :)
 
Doc Dutch said:
I'm happy to be swatted by people upset with my opinion. It's telling. :)

I❤when people lie about me
There is not a single post on this forum of me saying discrimination doesn't exist. In fact, I'm saying the very opposite: that people like you are discriminating against their fellow human beings based upon the color of their skin. The Trumpers do it all the time which is why it's so notable when a LWer does it. :)
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Dutch your entire position about me has been a lie and fabrication. You seem very sensitive about representing correctly when you make zero attempt to do that with me. If you are interested in real discussion with no hyperbole, i will give you that. But as long as you keep spamming lies and strawman about me, you need to toughen up, stop whining, and expect the same back.

This is my issue in this thread and the only point i made, which in NO WAY is reflected in your lies about my position.

- whether or not we like it or not or we agree race is a social construct or not, there are lots of people who are focused on race and willing to pay people of one race to denigrate and attack the people they perceive to be of their own race.
- people like Candace Owens monetize that by playing what would historically be called a version of the Uncle Tom role. What that term means here, is that the people who want to attack and denigrate people they perceive to be of Candace Owens race, are happy to pay her to be the attack vessel. You do not have to like the words 'uncle Tom' to acknowledge that what takes place is true and fits that definition.


So Dutch, here is the olive branch. That is the only position i have pushed in this thread encapsulated in two bullet points. Address them directly and tell me what i say there that makes me racist and what you disagree with?
 
QP! said:
Dutch your entire position about me has been a lie and fabrication. You seem very sensitive about representing correctly when you make zero attempt to do that with me....
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What's so difficult to understand that I believe Uncle Tom, race traitor and any other terms that differentiate people by skin-tone is racist, QP?

The fact you open with an obvious lie belies any "olive branch" attempts.
 
Doc Dutch said:
What's so difficult to understand that I believe Uncle Tom, race traitor and any other terms that differentiate people by skin-tone is racist, QP?
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Which is fine.

But that does mean you think they do not exist as words?

As i said the 'words' SPECIFICALLY were NEVER my point. I said what they 'refer to definitionally', 'was my point.

Let me put it another way.

We both probably agree that using the word 'nigger' is racist right?

So if i say 'other people use the word nigger who are racist' would you say that makes me racist?

Because wha
 
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