Is Capitalism Going to fall in America and Europe

[engles]

all you will get is the sociopaths rtaking it over from inside.

grow the hell up.

There is NO automatic setting.

man must refine whatever system constantly.


Life aint for the lazy

That's exactly what im saying! Man must keep refining society to move past Capitalism and life isn't for the lazy so why should the rich people who inherited all of their wealth be sitting around stealing the workers' wealth.

 

[engles]

Engles was a moron.

Engles was a genius whether you agree with him or not he was still an excellent scholars and a brilliant thinker.

 

[evince]

if you hand all the power to some central entity then the sociopaths will JUST infiltrate it and take the power.

 

[engles]

Capitalism allows for the people to take care of each other in a very fair manner id its fettered right and accompanied by a system the takes care of those in need.


a melding of several schools of thought on gov.

Evince you have good ideas but these aren't the future these are better than what has been happening and has given the US a great deal of good I simply believe that we must keep moving forward.

 

[evince]

That's exactly what im saying! Man must keep refining society to move past Capitalism and life isn't for the lazy so why should the rich people who inherited all of their wealth be sitting around stealing the workers' wealth.

that is were the proper fettering comes in dude.


democracy coupled with well fettered caplitalism.


You will NEVER reproduce the innovation that capitalism creates in mans mind.


It HAS to be there for anything else to work

 

[evince]

Evince you have good ideas but these aren't the future these are better than what has been happening and has given the US a great deal of good I simply believe that we must keep moving forward.

and we will


what you suggest will do nothing but create power struggles at the top and a buyout of the power by those willing to do anything for personal gain

 

[evince]

I love hes even groaning at a defense of capitalism

go yurt

 

[engles]

No hes likely an idealistic kid.

think it through engals.

don't be fooled

Evince shut up! I have thought this through for longer than you've thought through the caked on ideas of modern society it took me a long time to come to the realization that this is the only way to have true democracy.

 

[/MSG/]

I've seen many brilliant philosophers like the one in my username predict the eventual fall of Capitalism in more industrialized countries.
Do you think this is true?
what will come after Capitalism if it does fall?

No. It will not. It may CHANGE, but it will not fall.

 

[/MSG/]

Capitalism is the deprivation of basic workers' rights and the thieving of the rich. Freedom isn't in Capitalism it's with Socialism and even more so with Communism

How is compelling people against their will freedom?

 

[I'm Watermark]

This is ridiculous. Capitalism's superstructure has nothing to do with folks acting in one anothers' interests - it enforces greed, advancement at the expense of others, and discourages collective action. You merely need to look at the leading capitalist intellectuals to figure this out. It is, as engels says, a form of exploitation, whither through surplus value, or the denial of the right to work. And it is by nature anti-democratic, due to the privatization/centralization of production and media. "Fettering" doesn't change any of that.

Communism, socialism, and so on, provide democracy through all aspects of life. That's all they are. Not the crazy straw men you throw around.

 

[Minister of Truth]

You are correct countries need Capitalism in the beggining to start off an economy but it needs to be thrown out so better systems and build off the structure that Capitalism built. Like a wooden sword you need the wooden sword at the beggining to start off and get the foundation but you must throw that away and get a real sword you must keep advancing in society you can't always stick with old systems.

This fact is so damning that it should pretty much end all serious consideration of communism. You can't even get an economy started, and require the success that is capitalism to do ALL of the heavy lifting in order to implement the failure that is communism.

Proof that all communist "scholars" are morons of the highest order.

 

[I'm Watermark]

This fact is so damning that it should pretty much end all serious consideration of communism. You can't even get an economy started, and require the success that is capitalism to do ALL of the heavy lifting in order to implement the failure that is communism.

Proof that all communist "scholars" are morons of the highest order.

You're just rephrasing what communists hhave said, minus the important details. Its true that capitalism should develop an economy, but that comes at an immense hhuman cost. Once that cost is no longer needed, socialism steps into ameliorate it.

How that proves we're morons, i don't know.

 

[NOVA]

Thank you for being a close-minded, stereotypical, bigot now if i could have some intellectual discussion on this post that would be great.

Whasamatter pinhead.....did you really expect everyone or anyone would agree with your idiotic post.....
Both you and Engles can kiss my ass.....grow up, smarten up, or better yet, shut up.....

 

[Minister of Truth]

You're just rephrasing what communists hhave said, minus the important details. Its true that capitalism should develop an economy, but that comes at an immense hhuman cost. Once that cost is no longer needed, socialism steps into ameliorate it.

How that proves we're morons, i don't know.

You omit the human costs which have always accompanied communism. It proves that communists are incapable of producing anything worthwhile, and since people continue to adhere to these principles, despite its human cost accompanied with its inert economic nature - that would be where the charge of moron comes into play.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

You omit the human costs which have always accompanied communism. It proves that communists are incapable of producing anything worthwhile, and since people continue to adhere to these principles, despite its human cost accompanied with its inert economic nature - that would be where the charge of moron comes into play.

would you please dumb down your posts so as to confuse others....

 

[engles]

what got you butt handed to you on a platter so you started a new thread and banned me?


what commitment to your failed beliefs.

they cant stand a couple of minutes scrutiny on the onternets

You are an ignorant ass hole who contributes nothing to this forum so I banned you learn a few things before pretending you know them

 

[engles]

How is compelling people against their will freedom?

Don't talk about communism when you don't know what it is

 

[I'm Watermark]

You omit the human costs which have always accompanied communism. It proves that communists are incapable of producing anything worthwhile, and since people continue to adhere to these principles, despite its human cost accompanied with its inert economic nature - that would be where the charge of moron comes into play.

Oh? And do yyoou not in turn omit the realities of communist history. As Badiou says, those authoritarianisms were part of communism's development, not its realization. They were a result of economics -the incorrect developmental processes in relation to capitalism... and the horrific responses of pseudosocialists. To anyone with evrn a basic understannding of history, they are fully seperate from the "pure" idea

And to quote Marx, "ignorance never yet helped anybody"

 

[leaningright]

That's exactly what im saying! Man must keep refining society to move past Capitalism and life isn't for the lazy so why should the rich people who inherited all of their wealth be sitting around stealing the workers' wealth.

I love the way that every socialist thinks every rich person became rich in the manner of a Paris Hilton and never worked hard.