Is Capitalism Going to fall in America and Europe

well regulated capitalism coupled with a good system to protect the most vulnerable of our people is what works.

History PROOVES IT!
 
evince said:
Im sick of cults being treated like real experts
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Remember last week when I commented that you had previously told bac his views don't matter/count because he's a socialist? Basically the same thing you are saying here.

(And for the record I agree with you that capitalism is the engine of innovation, freedom and growth)
 
It's pretty sure that US style capitalism is in trouble, but it won't fall. It will have to change and that requires more socially responsible capitalism. Or if you like, a blend of socialism within a capitalist system. It works in Canada and it works in Europe and there's nothing that has been shown to work better.
 
Is Capitalism Going to fall in America and Europe

Probably not: it has total command of the means of propaganda and prevents any other point of view being put forward so many can hear it. Almost certainly it will burn up the world within a century. Just as well, I suppose, since the alternative is total capitalist slavery.
 
engles said:
Capitalism is the deprivation of basic workers' rights and the thieving of the rich. Freedom isn't in Capitalism it's with Socialism and even more so with Communism
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Yeah! North Korea is proof of that huh moron?
 
engles said:
I've seen many brilliant philosophers like the one in my username predict the eventual fall of Capitalism in more industrialized countries.
Do you think this is true?
what will come after Capitalism if it does fall?
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The problem is that the hegemony of the boss-class means the mass of people are so deeply brainwashed that it takes something like the First World War to wake many up, and the bosses own the Noise Machine outright. Yes, it'll fail again - and again, and again and again - but they will set up some nutter like Hitler to murder millions and save what's left of it to start again. The only real alternative is rule by the vast working majority, but I think the bosses are more likely to fry us all first.
 
Steelplate said:
Oh...yeah...I'm with you there....I should have specified....I meant the part of everyone making the same...sorry about that.

We don't need full blown income equality...what we need is a fair day's pay for a fair day's work..... and if you need to rely on food stamps, Medicaid and subsidized housing to survive when you are working full time....that's not a fair day's pay.
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But the question is... how? It's not a government forced increase in wages, as we'll just loose our industry to other nations. We can't increase workers' lots, or their jobs'll just be outsourced, with the current ownership of America's supply-side being maintained, no?
 
Rose said:
That's really vague. What violence, what ignorance?
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He preached ignorance based upon his lack of understanding about how markets work, where the advent of capitalism and resulting market liberalisation were heading, etc. One of the reasons why communists feared socialism was because they knew it made them irrelevant, and progressivism was entirely over their heads.

As for violence, there was the Bolshevik Revolution, the Great Purge, the internal carnage of North Korea, the Cultural Revolution, the Killing Fields, the treatment of political dissidents in Cuba and elsewhere, and the general presence of state-sponsored mass murder in every society which has experienced communism.
 
I've a headache. I read first and last page, coming away with general idea that Desh is moderate. My head IS exploding. Happy now?
 
Threedee said:
He preached ignorance based upon his lack of understanding about how markets work, where the advent of capitalism and resulting market liberalisation were heading, etc. One of the reasons why communists feared socialism was because they knew it made them irrelevant, and progressivism was entirely over their heads.

As for violence, there was the Bolshevik Revolution, the Great Purge, the internal carnage of North Korea, the Cultural Revolution, the Killing Fields, the treatment of political dissidents in Cuba and elsewhere, and the general presence of state-sponsored mass murder in every society which has experienced communism.
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As I pointed out, those authoritarian ventures are far from the "pure" idea of communism. Marx never preached, supported, or would have condoned them - nor did Engels, Kropotkin, Owen, Kautsky, Plekhanov, Bakunin and the rest. Modern communists are of the sentiment. Cohen, Zizek, Wolff, and Chomsky being the most noteworthy communist scholars, all of which stand in stark opposition to the violence and authoritarianism of Russia, China, Korea, and to a lesser extent, Cuba.

Nothing outside of the pitiful Marxist-Leninist literature condones what you describe. Instead what you'll find is the most radical and holistic expression of democracy. Communism, though its intellectual heritage is mostly found in socialists, preaches the disintegration of oppressive institution (usually by mass action), not the state terror you fail to understand.

Face it, you have nothing. You try to discredit communism by pointing to the early stage of its development, but only serve to show an inability to comprehend the complexity of these situations. You try to show that we're violent, ignorant and the like, no? Well, I welcome you to do so. The Great Leap Forward, "socialism from above", these things are not a refutation of communism.
 
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Annie said:
I've a headache. I read first and last page, coming away with general idea that Desh is moderate. My head IS exploding. Happy now?
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fuck off you lying assed snail trail leaver.


I am a capitalist and always have been.

your just an idiot who buys the propaganda made for idiots like you.
 
monty1 said:
It's pretty sure that US style capitalism is in trouble, but it won't fall. It will have to change and that requires more socially responsible capitalism. Or if you like, a blend of socialism within a capitalist system. It works in Canada and it works in Europe and there's nothing that has been shown to work better.
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Well fettered capitalism.


Its the only way
 
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