Is it crazy to distrust the official 911 story?

I throw insults around as a frustrated adult that cannot understand what is wrong with your brain. It isn't that you are liberal--- I respect many of the liberal posters here....it is just that you are stupid. If you were a conservative or a libertarian I would hate you just as much.


No, I condemn people flying in the face of science when it fits their interests and then supporting science when it likewise fits their interests.

Ever heard of the Law of Falling Objects?

What "science" are you refering to that says when an object is collapsing from weakness and encounters large solid objects on the way downward, it will still fall at free-fall speed.

Post that science
 
Just the things you said here are enough to get you labelled a "truther" by the ideological gatekeepers in the media. Welcome to the club, cypress.
Ironic how Cy will deny being a stupid conspiracy nut and then in the same breath turn around and prove it to be true.....funny shit...:clink:

Then desh in very next post feels it appropriate to prove shes also a left wing nutjob ... though we've all known that for years....
 
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Ever heard of the Law of Falling Objects?

What "science" are you refering to that says when an object is collapsing from weakness and encounters large solid objects on the way downward, it will still fall at free-fall speed.

Post that science

I didn't realise you had a means of measuring the speed of the collapse...how do you know it was free-fall speed?
 
Ironic how Cy will being a stupid conspiracy nut and then in the same breath turn around and prove it to be true.....funny shit...:clink:

Then desh in very next post feels it appropriate to prove shes also a left wing nutjob ... though we've all known that for years....

he's reclaiming the phrase "nut". Say it loud, Im nutty and I'm proud.
 
I have the 911 commission report in front of me tell me what page that is on?

I'd love to tell you, but some of us don't have the infinite time of the housewife...I guess you'll have to find it yourself (although something tells me that a woman who frequently has trouble making a complete, coherent sentence is probably not an authority on reading, either).
 
Haha. I'm probably the smartest person here...you just don't like that I a) don't give a fuck and b) don't spend more than a couple of minutes on any post.

"Smart" .. no sir, you are dumb as hell.

I didn't think you spent more than a couple of seconds on your posts.

Really? I find the only supporters of the crazy conspiracy theory are the random nuts online.

This proves that you are dumb as hell.

Attacking my intelligence again? Well, the steel being weakened and then the tower collapsing on itself would help, I think....not to mention it is entirely possible (shock shock) for the fire to have spread beyond the point of initial impact.

Attacking your what?

It is not possible for a small localized fire to spread evenly throughout a large building causing total collapse in a uniform fashion.

What was that I was attacking again?

If you don't like rocks, don't throw pebbles.

I'm not an expert on demolitions--- which is why I let the experts tell me what happened. Both of you aren't experts either, yet for some reason you have taken it upon yourselves to "show the world".

NO, you're not an expert are you?

Thanks for that vital information.

Would it surprise you that we get our information from experts .. AND protein increases brain size to the level of being able to identify a controlled demolition from a building collapsing from weakness .. without asking an expert.

What is that buckle in the center of WTC7?
 
[That at least is worthy a good laugh......]

Care to support that?

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Amazing....you know Clinton got one that said the "same exact thing" in 1998...what a coincidence....]

Care to support THAT? Was he on vacation at the time?
The following is the text of an item from the President's Daily Brief received by President William J. Clinton on December 4, 1998. It was declassified for the Report of the 9/11 Commission. Redacted material is indicated in brackets.

SUBJECT: Bin Ladin Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks

1. Reporting [—] suggests Bin Ladin and his allies are preparing for attacks in the US, including an aircraft hijacking to obtain the release of Shaykh ‘Umar ‘Abd al-Rahman, Ramzi Yousef, and Muhammad Sadiq ‘Awda. One source quoted a senior member of the Gama’at al-Islamiyya (IG) saying that, as of late October, the IG had completed planning for an operation in the US on behalf of Bin Ladin, but that the operation was on hold. A senior Bin Ladin operative from Saudi Arabia was to visit IG counterparts in the US soon thereafter to discuss options—perhaps including an aircraft hijacking.

* IG leader Islambuli in late September was planning to hijack a US airliner during the “next couple of weeks” to free ‘Abd al-Rahman and the other prisoners, according to what may be a different source.

* The same source late last month said that Bin Ladin might implement plans to hijack US aircraft before the beginning of Ramadan on 20 December and that two members of the operational team had evaded security checks during a recent trial run at an unidentified New York airport.[—]

2. Some members of the Bin Ladin network have received hijack training, according to various sources, but no group directly tied to Bin Ladin’s al-Qa’ida organization has ever carried out an aircraft hijacking. Bin Ladin could be weighing other types of operations against US aircraft. According to [—] the IG in October obtained SA-7 missiles and intended to move them from Yemen into Saudi Arabia to shoot down an Egyptian plane or, if unsuccessful, a US military or civilian aircraft.

* A [—] in October told us that unspecified “extremist elements” in Yemen had acquired SA-7s.[—]

3. [—] indicate the Bin Ladin organization or its allies are moving closer to implementing anti-US attacks at unspecified locations, but we do not know whether they are related to attacks on aircraft. A Bin Ladin associate in Sudan late last month told a colleague in Kandahar that he had shipped a group of containers to Afghanistan. Bin Ladin associates also talked about the movement of containers to Afghanistan before the East Africa bombings.

* In other [—] Bin Ladin associates last month discussed picking up a package in Malaysia. One told his colleague in Malaysia that “they” were in the “ninth month [of pregnancy].”

* An alleged Bin Ladin supporter in Yemen late last month remarked to his mother that he planned to work in “commerce” from abroad and said his impending “marriage,” which would take place soon, would be a “surprise.” “Commerce”and “marriage” often are codewords for terrorist attacks. [—]

Source: Pages 128-129 of the 9/11 Commission Report

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The following is the text of an item from the Presidential Daily Brief received by President George W. Bush on August 6, 2001. Redacted material is indicated by brackets.

Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US

Clandestine, foreign government, and media reports indicate Bin Ladin since 1997 has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the US. Bin Ladin implied in US television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and "bring the fighting to America."

After US missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan in 1998, Bin Ladin told followers he wanted to retaliate in Washington, according to a [--] service.

An Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) operative told an [--] service at the same time that Bin Ladin was planning to exploit the operative's access to the US to mount a terrorist strike.

The millennium plotting in Canada in 1999 may have been part of Bin Ladin's first serious attempt to implement a terrorist strike in the US. Convicted plotter Ahmed Ressam has told the FBI that he conceived the idea to attack Los Angeles International Airport himself, but that Bin Ladin lieutenant Abu Zubaydah encouraged him and helped facilitate the operation. Ressam also said that in 1998 Abu Zubaydah was planning his own US attack.

Ressam says Bin Ladin was aware of the Los Angeles operation.

Although Bin Ladin has not succeeded, his attacks against the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 demonstrate that he prepares operations years in advance and is not deterred by setbacks. Bin Ladin associates surveilled our Embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam as early as 1993, and some members of the Nairobi cell planning the bombings were arrested and deported in 1997.

Al-Qa'ida members--including some who are US citizens--have resided in or traveled to the US for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacks. Two al-Qua' da members found guilty in the conspiracy to bomb our embassies in East Africa were US citizens, and a senior EIJ member lived in California in the mid-1990s.

A clandestine source said in 1998 that a Bin Ladin cell in New York was recruiting [Islam in the United States*Muslim-American]] youth for attacks.

We have not been able to corroborate some of the more sensational threat reporting, such as that from a [--] service in 1998 saying that Bin Ladin wanted to hijack a US aircraft to gain the release of "Blind Shaykh" 'Umar 'Abd al-Rahman and other US-held extremists.

Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full field investigations throughout the US that it considers Bin Ladin-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our Embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group of Bin Ladin supporters was in the US planning attacks with explosives.



[What parts were they...were they the parts of our military that check baggage at the airports....or maybe the parts of our military that check passengers arriving from overseas...ahhh well, no matter, they were off on maneuvers any way.....

I've already spent more time on your stupid post than it was worth, Tinkerbell...]

All you have done is APPEAL TO RIDICULE

I challenged you and your ilk to present a REASONED refutation, not your debate equivalent of a fart joke.
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"Smart" .. no sir, you are dumb as hell.

I didn't think you spent more than a couple of seconds on your posts.
Probably true, although I don't realise how that makes me dumb.

In fact, I would guess that anyone here would be extremely hard pressed to make a case for me being the dumbest poster here, and I would be willing to take it to the debate threads to prove.



This proves that you are dumb as hell.
Care to elaborate, or will petty insults be enough?



Attacking your what?

It is not possible for a small localized fire to spread evenly throughout a large building causing total collapse in a uniform fashion.
And you know this because....? Your engineering experience? Do you have a source for that?



NO, you're not an expert are you?

Thanks for that vital information.

Would it surprise you that we get our information from experts .. AND protein increases brain size to the level of being able to identify a controlled demolition from a building collapsing from weakness .. without asking an expert.

What is that buckle in the center of WTC7?
Neither are you an expert, and you are ignoring the overwhelming evidence posted by people like Damocles (people with more patience than I that will take the time to show your flawed arguments) in favour of the couple of wacko engineers you can scare up.
 
DAYUM?

Are you serious?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml_n5gJgQ_U

WTC7 fell in about 6 seconds, about the same amount of time it would take a thousand lb weight to reach the ground if you had dropped it from the roof.

You are familiar with architecture, are you not? I mean, as I said I am not an expert on these subjects (probably why I'm not shooting off my mouth as much as you or Desh, since you two are obviously experts) but I would imagine that it would not be at all impossible for a structurally damaged building to begin to collapse and then continue downward, taking the rest of the building with it.
 
Why wont you answer my question about what the explosions running UP the building are?

How the fuck can you tell which direction the explosions are going in if it is a photograph?

Why won't you answer about your extensive demolitions training?
 
Let's not forget Lt. Col. Bowman .. who has achieved far more than your dumb ass could ever dream of and who KNOWS the intricacies of flying heavy aircratft .. let me guess .. you don't know shit about that either.

What a fucking dummy.

Absolutely...I don't know much about flying heavy aircraft, never said I did...I'm not a pilot by any stretch.....
but I "flew" a C-141 simulator a few times, at McGuire Air Force Base, NJ....the one the AF trains the real pilots on....its quite a blast....
And other than taking off and landing that big sucker, its quite easy just cruising around the open sky....
So...by comparison, I know far more than you about it.....:pke:
 
Probably true, although I don't realise how that makes me dumb.

In fact, I would guess that anyone here would be extremely hard pressed to make a case for me being the dumbest poster here, and I would be willing to take it to the debate threads to prove.

No need. It's just an opinion.

Care to elaborate, or will petty insults be enough?

Millions of Americans don't believe the fairy-tale.

Lots of scientists, physics and engineering experts, scholars, military and intelligence officers and analysts don't believe the fairy-tale.

How is it that you didn't know that?

And you know this because....? Your engineering experience? Do you have a source for that?

How about because it doesn't take genius of an engineering degree to know this. An 8th grade science class is all one needs.

Neither are you an expert, and you are ignoring the overwhelming evidence posted by people like Damocles (people with more patience than I that will take the time to show your flawed arguments) in favour of the couple of wacko engineers you can scare up.

Damo's been getting his ass spanked on this just like you, and he avoids questions he can't answer just like you .. you know like, "what does that buckle in the middle of WTC7 mean"

Why don't you scroll back to the Lt. Col Bowman post and answer the questions Damo could not? Would Col. Bowman qualify as a "wacko engineer?"
 
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