Is it crazy to distrust the official 911 story?

keep pretending to be an english teacher while I laugh in your face for believing the 911 hysteria driven by moronsrus.com

"Laugh in my face" ???

Oh, you mean my cyber face .. so you're laughing at my avatar?

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You keep laughing at my avatar and I'll keep having fun with your ignorance .. not your cyber ignorance, your ignorance.

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We had an engineer who used to post here who went and looked at the evidence after I posted some sights once. He said he stayed up until three i the morning looking at the evidence and in the end desided something was VERY wrong with the official story. I cant recall his name but everyone was blown away after he made the statement.

That was Trog…I think.
 
I laugh at anyone's schooling that hasn't raised their scope beyond believing in UFO type shit, like I said if you and Dhula don't support the National Enquirer who will.

Top, you are talking about someone (me) who has less interest in the cult of celebrity than anyone you are likely to know. (Not because of the people you know, simply because most Americans are obsessed with the comings and goings of various “stars”) I do not even look at the National Enquirer when I’m standing in line at a grocery store, no less read it.

And I have made no statement other than that for sometime now I have believed it to be apparent, if you are bothering to look at information that is a matter of public record now, that the bushies had to know. They simply had to know. They purposefully did not stop that attack. I don’t even see that as being particularly controversial, I mean I just saw a poll over the weekend that something like 70% of Americans don’t think they’ve been told the truth about 9/11.

Now, as to anything further than that, what bac is talking about, the truth is I have resisted even reading about it. I have resisted watching films about it. The sad truth is, I don’t believe for one second it is beyond them to have done all of that, but I don’t want to know. And the reason I don’t’ want to know is, it will devastate me and infuriate me, and… it’ll never be proven.

They will be debating this after I am dead. Willful ignorance is nothing to be proud of, and it’s something I never practice, but I know I am in this case. But I don’t laugh at anyone who talks about it. Some of the smartest people I know, who for years resisted this, have looked at it and looked at it, and have come around to saying, well, there is something that isn’t right here. And that has chilled me enough.
 
Top, you are talking about someone (me) who has less interest in the cult of celebrity than anyone you are likely to know. (Not because of the people you know, simply because most Americans are obsessed with the comings and goings of various “stars”) I do not even look at the National Enquirer when I’m standing in line at a grocery store, no less read it.

And I have made no statement other than that for sometime now I have believed it to be apparent, if you are bothering to look at information that is a matter of public record now, that the bushies had to know. They simply had to know. They purposefully did not stop that attack. I don’t even see that as being particularly controversial, I mean I just saw a poll over the weekend that something like 70% of Americans don’t think they’ve been told the truth about 9/11.

Now, as to anything further than that, what bac is talking about, the truth is I have resisted even reading about it. I have resisted watching films about it. The sad truth is, I don’t believe for one second it is beyond them to have done all of that, but I don’t want to know. And the reason I don’t’ want to know is, it will devastate me and infuriate me, and… it’ll never be proven.

They will be debating this after I am dead. Willful ignorance is nothing to be proud of, and it’s something I never practice, but I know I am in this case. But I don’t laugh at anyone who talks about it. Some of the smartest people I know, who for years resisted this, have looked at it and looked at it, and have come around to saying, well, there is something that isn’t right here. And that has chilled me enough.

You're willfully ignorant on many issues, darla. This is my main beef with women, they're too intellectually incurious and docile to ever ROCK THE BOAT. That's why our enemies are empowering our women, so a woman's natural docility and desire to maintain superficial calm will become a general trait of the newly feminized society.
 
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You're willfully ignorant on many issues, darla. This is my main beef with women, they're too intellecually incurious and docile to ever ROCK THE BOAT. That's why our enemies are empowering our women, so a woman's natural docility and desire to maintain superficial calm will become a general trait of the newly feminized society.

LOl

This from the guy who hasn't been to one protest or sat in one congressperson's office risking arrest, but is a big talker on the internet.

I'm docile, ok!
 
LOl

This from the guy who hasn't been to one protest or sat in one congressperson's office risking arrest, but is a big talker on the internet.

I'm docile, ok!

What do you protest? Anything meaningful? You refuse to even recognize or discuss the main issues keeping mankind enslaved. You're SAFE, and a bit cowardly.
 
What do you protest? Anything meaningful? You refuse to even recognize or discuss the main issues keeping mankind enslaved. You're SAFE, and a bit cowardly.

If you mean your ridiculous belief that white males are under attack, no I don't protest the repression and oppression of the white male. I figure, heck, some day we will probably get a white male president of the United States, and then that will be solved, you know?

If you are talking about corporatism and globalization, then that is something else again.
 
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/09/jones.html


I would like to pair this statement with the one in which Trog talks about the perfectly timed squibs shooting out of the side of the buildings.



Mike Hawryluk, BA, MAT – Professor Emeritus of Physics and former Division Chairman, Suffolk County Community College, NY.

Statement to this website 3/30/07: "My wife and I, transfixed in front of a TV as the horror of 9/11 unfolded, watched as the topmost, undamaged floors of the WTC South Tower started to gradually lean (rotate) in the direction of the damage due to impact.

In an instant, the rotation stopped, and that which was rotating began to fall, as if only under the influence of gravity! The fulcrum was no longer there!

I blurted out, "My god, they wired the building."

I haven't been at peace with myself, or the world, since then. I had no idea who the "they" in my utterance was, and to this day still do not. Since learning more about the events leading up, and subsequent to the tragedy, I have become firmly convinced that the conspiracy being sold to the world by the Government, the media, and debunkers is the greatest Red Herring of our time, if not in history. Yes, there is a conspiracy, but to carry out such a massive precise attack and subsequent effective obfuscation of what really happened required and will continue to require active participation of individuals at the highest levels of the government, defense, and intelligence communities, with continued assistance (active and/or passive) from the media. ..." Link to full statement
 
what is says is that People serious enough to run for president wouldn't consider such moronic jiberish except for Dennis. And he's just this cycle's cartoon.
 
You have offered nothing but infantile insults as usual.

You have less credibility than Dixie did here Top.

You have no one but your self to blame for that.
 
This is not the film that Trog is talking about. Ask yourself why they used the wrong film to debunk what they claim is false?
This wasn't about a "film" and it speaks to many of the different "squib" reports.

You didn't read it either... sad.
 
If you mean your ridiculous belief that white males are under attack, no I don't protest the repression and oppression of the white male. I figure, heck, some day we will probably get a white male president of the United States, and then that will be solved, you know?

If you are talking about corporatism and globalization, then that is something else again.


Having a token white as president doesn't mean discrimination against white people has been solved.
 
"All war is based on deception", Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

"War is a Racket", General Smedley Butler.

For those who contend that Bush and the neocon horde didn't know 9i/11 was about to happen ...

From the 1998 Congressional Record.

STATEMENT OF JOHN J. MARESCA, VICE PRESIDENT OF INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, UNOCAL CORPORATION

I would like to focus today on three issues. First, the need for multiple pipeline routes for Central Asian oil and gas resources. Second, the need for U.S. support for international and regional efforts to achieve balanced and lasting political settlements to the conflicts in the region, including Afghanistan. Third, the need for structured assistance to encourage economic reforms and the development of appropriate investment climates in the region. In this regard, we specifically support repeal or removal of section 907 of the Freedom Support Act.

One major problem has yet to be resolved: how to get the region's vast energy resources to the markets where they are needed. Central Asia is isolated. Their natural resources are land locked, both geographically and politically. Each of the countries in the Caucasus and Central Asia faces difficult political challenges. Some have unsettled wars or latent conflicts. Others have evolving systems where the laws and even the courts are dynamic and changing. In addition, a chief technical obstacle which we in the industry face in transporting oil is the region's existing pipeline infrastructure.

One obvious route south would cross Iran, but this is foreclosed for American companies because of U.S. sanctions legislation. The only other possible route is across Afghanistan, which has of course its own unique challenges. The country has been involved in bitter warfare for almost two decades, and is still divided by civil war. From the outset, we have made it clear that construction of the pipeline we have proposed across Afghanistan could not begin until a recognized government is in place that has the confidence of governments, lenders, and our company.

As with the proposed Central Asia oil pipeline, CentGas can not begin construction until an internationally recognized Afghanistan Government is in place.

Project for a New American Century Letter to President Clinton

On January 26, 1998, the PNAC, sent a letter to President William Clinton urging the military overthrow of Saddam Hussein in Iraq. The dictator, the letter alleged, was a destabilizing force in the Middle East, and posed a mortal threat to "...the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world's oil supply..." The subjugation of Iraq would be the first application of "pre-emptive war."

President Clinton did not honor the PNAC's request.
Letter to President Clinton on Iraq

According to PNAC, what was needed to build the pipeline and invade Iraq was “some catastrophic and catalysing event – like a new Pearl Harbor"
Why Another Defense Review

Hell to Pay
Sentient Times June/July 2002 issue

On a frigid, rainy January day in 2001, Unocal was given reason to rejoice. George W. Bush had just taken the oath of office, and was now President of the United States. The power of the American government was immediately brought to bear in the situation. Enter Afghan-American Zalmay Khalilzad, who in the early 1990s served Unocal as an advisor on the nascent pipeline project. In 1997, Khalilzad was present with Unocal representatives when they hosted a delegation of Taliban officials in Houston.

NOTE: This meeting was hosted by Ken Lay who gave millions to the the Taliban.

Khalilzad was part of a full-court press by the Bush administration to see the pipeline deal through to completion. Their main objective was to bring the Taliban, who had become decidedly disinterested in then project, back on board. The American pitch to the Taliban, which was still hosting Osama bin Laden, became so intense that the Taliban hired an American public relations expert named Laila Helms to broker negotiations. High-level meetings between the Bush administration and the Taliban continued through August of 2001, with little gain. The Taliban simply was not interested in becoming part of the deal.

Pakistani news agencies reported in the weeks before September 11th that America had threatened war against the Taliban if they did not agree to the pipeline deal. “Accept our carpet of gold,” the Bush administration is reported to have said, “or be buried under a carpet of bombs.”

At the same time, John O’Neill was quitting his job in protest. A Deputy Director of the FBI, O’Neill was America’s chief bin Laden hunter. He had been in charge of the investigations into the bin Laden-connected bombings of the World Trade Center in 1993, the destruction of an American troop barracks in Saudi Arabia in 1996, the African embassy bombings in 1998, and the attack upon the U.S.S. Cole in 2000. Simply put, no one person in America’s counter-terrorism apparatus knew more about Osama bin Laden than John O’Neill.

Two weeks before September 11th, John O’Neill left the FBI in anger and disgust. He believed his government was actively hindering his ability to pursue dangerous Islamic terrorists because such investigations were discomforting Mideast regimes like the Taliban that were being courted by American petroleum interests. Brisard and Dasique quote O’Neill as saying, “The main obstacles to investigating Islamic terrorism were U.S. oil corporate interests, and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it.” Connections between the Taliban and Saudi Arabia, a nation bin Laden and a dozen of the 9/11 hijackers once called home, are too glaring to ignore.

Does anone remember the secret meetings that Cheney held with Oil executives, the substance of which he would not reveal to the American public?

US Invasion of Afghanistan was announced months before 9/11
The US Invasion of Afghanistan was Announced Months Before the 9/11 Attacks

QUESTION: At this point, before 9/11 .. WHAT REASON DO THEY HAVE TO ATTACK AFGHANISTAN?

Bush given Afghanistan invasion plans two days before 9/11
US PREPARING FOR A WAR WITH AFGHANISTAN BEFORE 9/11, INCREASING CONTROL OF ASIA BEFORE AND SINCE

Sandy Berger, Clinton's National Security Advisor, has stated, "You show me one reporter, one commentator, one member of Congress who thought we should invade Afghanistan before September 11 and I'll buy you dinner in the best restaurant in New York City." [The Cell, John Miller, Michael Stone and Chris Mitchell, 8/02, p. 219] In July 2002, British Prime Minister Tony Blair will state: "To be truthful about it, there was no way we could have got the public consent to have suddenly launched a campaign on Afghanistan but for what happened on September 11." [London Times, 7/17/02] How did Bush expect to get public support for his plan to invade and conquer Afghanistan if 9/11 didn't happen

October 7, 2001, Bush announces opening of attacks against Afghanistan
CNN.com - Bush announces opening of attacks - October 7, 2001

Former Unocal Consultant Karzai elected new Afghan leader
BBC NEWS * World * South Asia * Karzai elected Afghan leader

Imagine that?

John J. Maresca, the Vice President of the Unocal Corporation who had implored Congress to have the Taliban overthrown is installed as the first US Envoy to Afghanistan

Imagine that?

September 20, 2001: PNAC Think Tank Pushes for Iraq War
The Project for the New American Century (PNAC), publishes a letter addressed to President Bush, insisting that the war on terrorism include as one of its objectives the removal of Saddam Hussein from power— “even if evidence does not link Iraq directly to the attack.”
Letter to President Bush on the War on Terrorism

December 27, 2002, Afghanistan pipeline deal signed
BBC NEWS * South Asia * Central Asia pipeline deal signed

Imagine that?

Feel free to draw whatever conclusions you choose, but some of us have loved ones stuck in the hell of Iraq, and some of us have endured the nightmares of having your daughter stuck in that hell for 3 tours of duty.

I don't give a fuck about silly-ass namecalling, tinfoil hats, moonbeam, UFO, or whatever else name some blind fool might call me .. most of whom are the very same fools who backed this goddamn war in the first place and were just so damn sure that Saddam had WMD.

To suggest that serious questions shouldn't be raised and a serious investigation shouldn't take place with thousands of unanswered questions and the reality that hundreds of thousands of dead bodies, both American and foreign .. a great many of them women, children and babies, lay strewn in the wake of 9/11, is simply ignorant.

Nearly a TRILLION DOLLARS is gone from the US Treasury .. and more than 9 BILLION DOLLARS was just lost, missing, oooppps from Iraq that no one is being held accountable for.

Our military is BROKEN and thousands of US troops are suffering from traumatic brain damage caused by exploding IED's .. and the fucking Veterans' Administration is a joke. Thousands more are suffering from PTSD, AND DU contamination .. and what do they have to look forward to coming home .. more than 25% of all homeless Americans are veterans.

America has suffered tremendous damage to our status, stature, credibility, power, and influence all over the world, and the world is reacting to protect itself FROM US. The Russians and Chinese are starting to look like the good guys .. even to what used to be our friends, like the british.

This is an amazing view into the minds of Americans. Absolutely incredible. In the land of democracy where the vote is THE most important tool of the people to select its leaders and chart the course of their nation, the fraud of the American vote and the mechanism used for that fraud has been conclusively proven .. but hasn't been adequately addresses in more than 4 years .. and the American people do nothing.

Our "leaders" and our course are chosen for us, and the American people do nothing.

The puppetmasters are so bold that they can PUBLISH a blueprint of their plans on the internet because they know the American people will do nothing. They'll watch them quibble and quack about political candidates and political partys like children, when they know the only vote that counts is theirs.

There is a great difference between the reponsibilities of being a citizen than there is of being a fucking subject to the Crown .. and the Declaration of Independence will tell you what the fuck those differences are.

The problem with America is not George Bush, republicans, democrats, or the goddamn neocons. The problem with America is Americans.

We exist in the Matrix
 
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