Is it crazy to distrust the official 911 story?

Total rubbish.

I have stated myriad times that the only conspiracy that we KNOW is real is the conspiracy to make each other look better. This would be part of that. Notice how it was answered earlier? Please, be honest.

Why do I think I am the only intellectually honest debater in this discussion you ask? It is because of crap like this. And then the questions that are actually answered in the articles I link in. Both of this kind of stuff tell me you aren't reading my posts or any articles that disagree with your stuff after you find one line, that may or may not have been dealt with later in the article, that you pretend discounts what the article says. Even the fact that the only actually peer reviewed article on the subject weighs in against you doesn't stop you from pretending that because this Lt. Col. says something it must be true!

Pilot after pilot tells me one thing, a small group of pilots tell you another. I'll go with the numbers.

It is disingenuous. I read your articles and even go so far as to research them as I can, finding out that one of the "experts" was a Professor of Geology in one of them rather than anybody who knew anything about structural engineering... Things like that.

Why do I think it? Because the evidence pretty much shows me that it is true.

"Total Rubbish" ???

This is going to hurt ..

Even the 9/11 Commission lamented that critical evidence had been destroyed and removed.

Why was the crime scene cleared so quickly and the physical evidence sent to China before any investigation could take place? That is against the law.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.ph...ce_from_Ground_Zero_at_the_World_Trade_Center

Kinda' puts a hole in your meticulous research claim.

Not only did they destroy critical evidence, THEY ALSO OPPOSED ANY INVESTIGATION OF 9/11.

Why did it take 14 months for an investigation to even begin?

Why even then was it was underfunded and obstructed and the Bush Adminstration argued for Henry fucking Kissinger to head it?

Why did the Bush Administration wait 411 days to form the 9/11 investigation commission when it took just 6 days for the Titanic, 7 days for JFK, 7 days for the Challenger tragedy, and 9 days for Pearl Harbor. And to top this off, the commission only recieved 25% of the 11,000 documents requested.

When the WTC crash was finally "investigated" FEMA was given the sole authority to investigate the collapses even though it is not an investigative agency, the investigative team assembled by FEMA consisted of unpaid volunteers, and they were not allowed access to Ground Zero.

Why the fuck is that?

Why was aircraft piracy and hijacking protocol for NORAD changed 3 months before 9/11 which required only the Sec. Of Defense and the President to issue intercept orders stripping commanders in the field of autonomy in responding to hijackings.. even after 40 years of successful NORAD intercepts?
http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf

For 40 years prior to 9/11, a Federal Aviation Administration rule had allowed commercial airlines pilots to carry firearms in the cockpit. The rule was adopted in in the wake of the 1961 Cuban missile crisis as a measure to prevent hijackings. This rule was changed 2 months before 9/11 and banned pilots from carrying firearms. See if you can get an explanation from the FAA because no one else can.

When jets were finally scrambled, after more than an hour into the attack ..

The two F-15s scrambled from Otis AFB to chase Flight 11 flew at an average of 447 mph, about 23.8% of their top speed of 1875 mph.

The two F-16s scrambled from Langley to protect the capital flew at an average of 410.5 mph, about 27.4% of their top speed of 1500 mph.

Why, on September 6, 5 days before 9/11, were bomb-sniffing dogs inexplicably removed from the WTC?

No video of any of the 19 hijackers at any of the three originating airports of the four flights has been made public, except for a video allegedly showing hijackers of Flight 77.

At least six of the alleged hijackers have turned up alive since the attack.

NONE of the four flight crews radioed Air Traffic Control about hijackings in progress.

NONE of the four flight crews punched in the four-digit hijacking code.

No public evidence indicates that the remains of any of the hijackers was identified at any of the crash sites.

Where is the 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS that Rumsfeld held a press conference the day before 9/11 to announce had simply vanished from Pentagon funds .. more than 25% of its total budget?

Why didn't you know any of this?

Get off that horse goddammit. You can't answer a plethora of questions you should be able to answer. You discount the statements of far more serious pilots for statements of people you believe are pilots and a agenda laden commercial pilot.

I think you're a good and intelligent guy, but you are not the honest debater you think you are.
 
"Total Rubbish" ???

This is going to hurt ..

Even the 9/11 Commission lamented that critical evidence had been destroyed and removed.

Why was the crime scene cleared so quickly and the physical evidence sent to China before any investigation could take place? That is against the law.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.ph...ce_from_Ground_Zero_at_the_World_Trade_Center

Kinda' puts a hole in your meticulous research claim.

Not only did they destroy critical evidence, THEY ALSO OPPOSED ANY INVESTIGATION OF 9/11.

Why did it take 14 months for an investigation to even begin?

Why even then was it was underfunded and obstructed and the Bush Adminstration argued for Henry fucking Kissinger to head it?

Why did the Bush Administration wait 411 days to form the 9/11 investigation commission when it took just 6 days for the Titanic, 7 days for JFK, 7 days for the Challenger tragedy, and 9 days for Pearl Harbor. And to top this off, the commission only recieved 25% of the 11,000 documents requested.

When the WTC crash was finally "investigated" FEMA was given the sole authority to investigate the collapses even though it is not an investigative agency, the investigative team assembled by FEMA consisted of unpaid volunteers, and they were not allowed access to Ground Zero.

Why the fuck is that?

Why was aircraft piracy and hijacking protocol for NORAD changed 3 months before 9/11 which required only the Sec. Of Defense and the President to issue intercept orders stripping commanders in the field of autonomy in responding to hijackings.. even after 40 years of successful NORAD intercepts?
http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf

For 40 years prior to 9/11, a Federal Aviation Administration rule had allowed commercial airlines pilots to carry firearms in the cockpit. The rule was adopted in in the wake of the 1961 Cuban missile crisis as a measure to prevent hijackings. This rule was changed 2 months before 9/11 and banned pilots from carrying firearms. See if you can get an explanation from the FAA because no one else can.

When jets were finally scrambled, after more than an hour into the attack ..

The two F-15s scrambled from Otis AFB to chase Flight 11 flew at an average of 447 mph, about 23.8% of their top speed of 1875 mph.

The two F-16s scrambled from Langley to protect the capital flew at an average of 410.5 mph, about 27.4% of their top speed of 1500 mph.

Why, on September 6, 5 days before 9/11, were bomb-sniffing dogs inexplicably removed from the WTC?

No video of any of the 19 hijackers at any of the three originating airports of the four flights has been made public, except for a video allegedly showing hijackers of Flight 77.

At least six of the alleged hijackers have turned up alive since the attack.

NONE of the four flight crews radioed Air Traffic Control about hijackings in progress.

NONE of the four flight crews punched in the four-digit hijacking code.

No public evidence indicates that the remains of any of the hijackers was identified at any of the crash sites.

Where is the 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS that Rumsfeld held a press conference the day before 9/11 to announce had simply vanished from Pentagon funds .. more than 25% of its total budget?

Why didn't you know any of this?

Get off that horse goddammit. You can't answer a plethora of questions you should be able to answer. You discount the statements of far more serious pilots for statements of people you believe are pilots and a agenda laden commercial pilot.

I think you're a good and intelligent guy, but you are not the honest debater you think you are.
Not total rubbish that evidence had been removed. Total rubbish that I hadn't answered it.

I stated (paraphrasing here), "I think that people are hiding how inept they were, this is why this kind of thing happened."

At least read the post and find out what I was saying before attempting an answer that is based on a misconception. You are wasting energy getting exited about something I didn't say.
 
Not total rubbish that evidence had been removed. Total rubbish that I hadn't answered it.

I stated (paraphrasing here), "I think that people are hiding how inept they were, this is why this kind of thing happened."

At least read the post and find out what I was saying before attempting an answer that is based on a misconception. You are wasting energy getting exited about something I didn't say.

What does being "inept" have to do with the removal of physical evidence?
 
Excellent question .. see if you can get Damo to anser it. I provide hiom with the documentation straight from the DoD.
I did answer it.

Again I will provide you with the answer...

"I believe that people on both sides of it were covering up their ineptitude." I have stated it myriad times, I believe that some things were definitely covered in order to hide their crappy pre and post responses to the problem.

When I said "rubbish" it wasn't because I don't think evidence disappeared. I said that it was "rubbish" that I hadn't answered that.
 
Which is what every pilot I know says can be done.

Shoot, you can rent time in a plane that they take off and land for you and let you have the controls to fight aerial battles with your friends. They act like it would be impossible to do when these guys had far more training than I would get for that.

Obviously YOU did not read the article I provided, "The Impossibility of Flying Heavy Aircraft Without Training."

Please take this opportunity to actually read it then tell me where it isn't factual.
 
What does being "inept" have to do with the removal of physical evidence?
They remove evidence of things they could have prevented. Much like Sandy and his removal of classifieds from the national archives that after investigation were found to be far more than the dismissive rationale given.
 
Obviously YOU did not read the article I provided, "The Impossibility of Flying Heavy Aircraft Without Training."

Please take this opportunity to actually read it then tell me where it isn't factual.
It ignores the actual training that they did have as well as the answers by those who are actual pilots of those aircraft. What part of that was difficult for you to read previously?
 
I did answer it.

Again I will provide you with the answer...

"I believe that people on both sides of it were covering up their ineptitude." I have stated it myriad times, I believe that some things were definitely covered in order to hide their crappy pre and post responses to the problem.

When I said "rubbish" it wasn't because I don't think evidence disappeared. I said that it was "rubbish" that I hadn't answered that.

And again I ask you what the fuck does being inept have to do with the removal of physical evidence .. and the stand-down order was issued in June of 2001, so what the hell does being inept have to do with the act of issuing an order that would cover the tracks and effectively assist in the attacks on 9/11?

They didn't remove the evidence because they were covering how inept someone was, they removed the evidence so it couldn't be examined.
 
And again I ask you what the fuck does being inept have to do with the removal of physical evidence .. and the stand-down order was issued in June of 2001, so what the hell does being inept have to do with the act of issuing an order that would cover the tracks and effectively assist in the attacks on 9/11?
And again I answered. You keep getting all exited over something that has already been answered.
 
the fact that they were inept and may have tried to cover up doesn't equate to a conspiracy or Bush doing it.
But it does equate to your morons buying a lot on National Enquirer mags and watching reality shows. Hey they need to eat too.
 
It ignores the actual training that they did have as well as the answers by those who are actual pilots of those aircraft. What part of that was difficult for you to read previously?

WHAT?

Now you're reaching for the stupid. Ther article talks about what training would be required and specifically details the training they supposedly got against the traing that would be required .. and YOU ignore the statements of piolts who have actually flown these planes if they do not conform to what you want to believe.

Why are your pilot(s) more credible than the pilots for 9/11 truth?
 
And again I answered. You keep getting all exited over something that has already been answered.

You haven't answered a damn thing and you keep posturing the "they were covering for ineptitude" lame-ass brain-dead excuse.

What does ineptitude have to do with issuing a stand-down order just months before the attack?

What does ineptitude have to do with the removal of physical evidence?

AND your response to Desh's question of why they don't identify themselves .. asking him why he doesn't identify himself borders on the insane. If he was putting forth a professional opinion, he would, just like anybody else, have to identify themselves and the level of their expertise.

That was hardly an honest response sir.
 
WHAT?

Now you're reaching for the stupid. Ther article talks about what training would be required and specifically details the training they supposedly got against the traing that would be required .. and YOU ignore the statements of piolts who have actually flown these planes if they do not conform to what you want to believe.

Why are your pilot(s) more credible than the pilots for 9/11 truth?
And the articles I link to talk about what training would be required and it meshes with the pilots that I know.

Seriously, you are being disingenuous. I answered that portion of your posts, you just wish to reject my conclusion based on evidence and direct knowledge. And yes, my brother is more credible than the pilots on 9/11 for "truth".
 
You haven't answered a damn thing and you keep posturing the "they were covering for ineptitude" lame-ass brain-dead excuse.

What does ineptitude have to do with issuing a stand-down order just months before the attack?

What does ineptitude have to do with the removal of physical evidence?

AND your response to Desh's question of why they don't identify themselves .. asking him why he doesn't identify himself borders on the insane. If he was putting forth a professional opinion, he would, just like anybody else, have to identify themselves and the level of their expertise.

That was hardly an honest response sir.
The stand down order was just a portion of that ineptitude.

The removal of evidence that could link back to things they could have used to link the problems together is a sign of a coverup of that ineptitude.

He is creating a website that links to professional opinions, he identifies his sources and he links to them as well. Including the actual peer reviewed sources that you ignore for whatever sourcing you wish to give credence to.
 
Obviously YOU did not read the article I provided, "The Impossibility of Flying Heavy Aircraft Without Training."

Please take this opportunity to actually read it then tell me where it isn't factual.

Again, you are ignoring the fact that they DID attend flight training down in Florida.
 
And the articles I link to talk about what training would be required and it meshes with the pilots that I know.

Seriously, you are being disingenuous. I answered that portion of your posts, you just wish to reject my conclusion based on evidence and direct knowledge. And yes, my brother is more credible than the pilots on 9/11 for "truth".

Then that solves it FOR YOU, doesn't it?

Your brother and the pilots you know against pilots with far more credibility for people who don't know your brother or the pilots you know.

Since I don't know your brother or the pilots you know, why would I believe them compared to American heroes and pilots who have long established and distinguished records?
 
The stand down order was just a portion of that ineptitude.

The removal of evidence that could link back to things they could have used to link the problems together is a sign of a coverup of that ineptitude.

He is creating a website that links to professional opinions, he identifies his sources and he links to them as well. Including the actual peer reviewed sources that you ignore for whatever sourcing you wish to give credence to.

LOL.
 
"Is it crazy to distrust the official 911 story?"

If it wasn't crazy to then you wouldn't distrust it, hunnybunny!!
 
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