Is it crazy to distrust the official 911 story?

Damocles said:
LOL. You attempt to take on all of that information with what just that? You are sad, and in denial.

As I said, I think that there is a ton of coverup, and from more than one source. That doesn't change that the buildings fell because of what happened to them, not from demolition.
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NO my brother, it is you who is sad and seriously in denial. I would never want to be so blind/controlled that my mind can't interpret what is clearly in front of my face. WTC7 was imploded and exhibited all the signs of an implosion, including caving in from the middle so it would land in it's own footprints .. just as the towers did and falling at free fall speed.

Even taking your lame excuses for buildings melting from fire, all you could come up with is 2 incorrect examples .. in all the history of earth. 2 lame examples that hardly qualify as high rise buildings, but your mind tells you that such an anomaly would occur 3 times on the same day ???

Denial ??

Cavemen who couldn't fly a Cessna .. executing flight manuevers that fighter pilots couldn't do .. in large aircraft they were totally unfamilar with, and in fact had never been in. One flight instructor said that he couldn't believe that some of them could even drive a car because they were so inept.

Denial ??

The Bush Administration changing NORAD procedures and issuing a stand-down order for hijacked planes 3 months before the old orders would have prevented the chaos of 9/11.

I know .. coincidence

The Bush Administration warning foreign governments of their plans to attack Afghanistan before 9/11.

Destroying critical evidence

Oh yeah .. straight out of Mother Goose .. How did the Bush Administration know it was Al Queda responsible only hours after the attack?

Bush official: Well when one of the planes hit the tower, a passport belonging to one of the hijackers fell out of his pocket and fell to the ground and we found it.

What?

You mean a paper passport fell out of a hijackers pocket, fell through heat and fire so intense it melted a giant building, landed on the ground amongst thousands of tons of concrete, steel, glass, and all manner of debris .. and through dust, pulverized concrete, and smoke so thick you couldn't see the hand in front of your face, someone walked over and picked up this passport and we immediately related it to a hijacker.

And you believe that bullshit and have the nerve to pompously question why anyone wouldn't believe it ???? :shock:

Dude ..

And don't pretend that all the experts agree with the fairy-tale, because they do not and you know it. There are lots of engineers, scientists, military and intelligence officers, and pilots who can attest to the bullshit .. and I've posted many of their statements.

It doesn't matter how much false information there is, volume doesn't make it any less false. I asked you two very simple questions that didn't require a lot of volume ..

Did the Bush Administration know that 9/11 was about to happen before it happened?

Why did the Bush Administration remove and/or destroy critical evidence before it could be investigated.

But I truly have no problem with your affliction .. truly I don't.

This is an amazing and very telling thing to behold.
 
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There are other explanations. That you do not realize that means that you did not read, regardless of your insistence that you did. I find that sad indeed.

You are stuck on what you want to believe regardless of any other evidence presented and the fact that it was presented in a peer-reviewed magazine and debunks your claims of WTC 7 being purposefully destroyed by demolition which was not presented in a peer-reviewed magazine, and largely not even by what could be considered peers. I find it sad that the same people who insist one group believe what scientists say about one subject in peer-reviewed publications, totally disregard what they say in another on a different subject because it is inconvenient to what they want to believe.

As I said, do I think that government might be covering things? Yes. Do I think even WTC 7 was purposefully taken down by the government? No.

Do I think they knew it was coming? No. Do I think that they knew we were in danger? Yes. Do I think they believe that they didn't do enough? Yes.
 
Damocles said:
There are other explanations. That you do not realize that means that you did not read, regardless of your insistence. You are stuck on what you want to believe regardless of any other evidence presented and the fact that it was presented in a peer-reviewed magazine and debunks your claims of WTC 7 being purposefully destroyed by demolition.

As I said, do I think that government might be covering things? Yes. Do I think even WTC 7 was purposefully taken down by the government? No.

Do I think they knew it was coming? No. Do I think that they knew we were in danger? Yes. Do I think they believe that they didn't do enough? Yes.
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There are other excuses, but few explanations.

Cavemen non-pilots fly huge heavy aircraft all over the country FLAWLESSLY without training .. excecuting flight manuevers experienced combat pilots with hundreds of hours in the air say they couldn't do .. FOUR CAVEMEN NON_PILOTS IN FOUR DIFFERENT PLANES .. all over the country .. FLAWLESSLY .. AND FIND THEIR TARGETS .. FLAWLESSLY.

What's your excuse .. ahh .. explanation for that nonsense?

When you figure it out, tell it to Lt. Col Robert Bowman USAF, Ph.D in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam, Former Director of the Star Wars Program in the Ford and carter Administrations, President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies, former Presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church, recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President's Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Republic Aviation Airpower Award, the Society of American Military Engineers' ROTC Medal of Merit (twice), the Air Medal with five oak leaf clusters, the Meritorious Service Medal, and numerous other awards, and one of the America's foremost authorities on national security.

You can find him here talking about the impossibility of the official 9/11 story.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6900065571556128674
 
blackascoal said:
There are other excuses, but few explanations.

Cavemen non-pilots fly huge heavy aircraft all over the country FLAWLESSLY without training .. excecuting flight manuevers experienced combat pilots with hundreds of hours in the air say they couldn't do .. FOUR CAVEMEN NON_PILOTS IN FOUR DIFFERENT PLANES .. all over the country .. FLAWLESSLY .. AND FIND THEIR TARGETS .. FLAWLESSLY.

What's your excuse .. ahh .. explanation for that nonsense?

When you figure it out, tell it to Lt. Col Robert Bowman USAF, Ph.D in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam, Former Director of the Star Wars Program in the Ford and carter Administrations, President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies, former Presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church, recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President's Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Republic Aviation Airpower Award, the Society of American Military Engineers' ROTC Medal of Merit (twice), the Air Medal with five oak leaf clusters, the Meritorious Service Medal, and numerous other awards, and one of the America's foremost authorities on national security.

You can find him here talking about the impossibility of the official 9/11 story.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6900065571556128674
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"Cavemen" = Racist stereotyping and I find that beneath you and gross. Most of them had graduated from college.

http://www.debunking911.com/osama.htm

More pilots, and in fact every pilot that I know, say that they would have no problem finding the two tallest buildings in the single largest city on the planet.

You have one pilot, I have many more that say it wasn't just possible that it wouldn't be that hard.

I do more than read one guy's word and accept it as truth. I ask people that I know who are pilots. Especially about the one that hit the Pentagon. From the air, easy target to find. Possible to hit the building the way that it would have to? Definitely.

Shoot, go to "ask the pilot" on Slate, he's debunked that one several times.

But, even more telling, that particular myth too was covered on the site I gave you. Links galore. Had you read it you would have known that. I'm beginning to think that you lied to me.
 
blackascoal said:
There are other excuses, but few explanations.

Cavemen non-pilots fly huge heavy aircraft all over the country FLAWLESSLY without training .. excecuting flight manuevers experienced combat pilots with hundreds of hours in the air say they couldn't do .. FOUR CAVEMEN NON_PILOTS IN FOUR DIFFERENT PLANES .. all over the country .. FLAWLESSLY .. AND FIND THEIR TARGETS .. FLAWLESSLY.

What's your excuse .. ahh .. explanation for that nonsense?

When you figure it out, tell it to Lt. Col Robert Bowman USAF, Ph.D in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam, Former Director of the Star Wars Program in the Ford and carter Administrations, President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies, former Presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church, recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President's Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Republic Aviation Airpower Award, the Society of American Military Engineers' ROTC Medal of Merit (twice), the Air Medal with five oak leaf clusters, the Meritorious Service Medal, and numerous other awards, and one of the America's foremost authorities on national security.

You can find him here talking about the impossibility of the official 9/11 story.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6900065571556128674
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WAAAAAHHH!!!

I HATE YOU1!!
 
The conspiracy nuts just have to look at your allys to confirm you're all fuckin' nitwits...

Desh....Cypress...Froggie...
BlackAsCoal...Beefy...blackflag...
agnosticus-Caesar...Darla...tinfoil....

freekin' far left loonies and as stupid as rocks....

You all make a fine group, hardly a neuron working in the bunch
 
bravo said:
The conspiracy nuts just have to look at your allys to confirm you're all fuckin' nitwits...

Desh....Cypress...Froggie...
BlackAsCoal...Beefy...blackflag...
agnosticus-Caesar...Darla...tinfoil....

freekin' far left loonies and as stupid as rocks....

You all make a fine group, hardly a neuron working in the bunch
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I think you have lumped a few in there that do not belong. Cypress, for one, Beefy, for another, don't believe that it was the type of conspiracy that has been expressed here.
 
bravo said:
The conspiracy nuts just have to look at your allys to confirm you're all fuckin' nitwits...

Desh....Cypress...Froggie...
BlackAsCoal...Beefy...blackflag...
agnosticus-Caesar...Darla...tinfoil....

freekin' far left loonies and as stupid as rocks....

You all make a fine group, hardly a neuron working in the bunch
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Far left. Hmmm. Methinks you know not of what you speak. But, if it floats your boat, keep thinking I am. It wouldn't be the first time a neotard couldn't distinguish between a Republican and a Conservative.
 
bravo said:
The conspiracy nuts just have to look at your allys to confirm you're all fuckin' nitwits...

Desh....Cypress...Froggie...
BlackAsCoal...Beefy...blackflag...
agnosticus-Caesar...Darla...tinfoil....

freekin' far left loonies and as stupid as rocks....

You all make a fine group, hardly a neuron working in the bunch
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Half the people you cited aren't liberals. And I for one, have seen no credible evidence to suggest BushCo. blew up the towers.

Speaking of "stupid as a rock", didn't you vote for Bush twice, and think the invasion of iraq was a swell idea?
 
Beefy said:
Far left. Hmmm. Methinks you know not of what you speak. But, if it floats your boat, keep thinking I am. It wouldn't be the first time a neotard couldn't distinguish between a Republican and a Conservative.
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But you have a picture of Ron Paul on your posts?? I mean, how stupid can someone be and still manage to operate a computer? That is a question that has stumped me for some time now.
 
Cypress said:
Half the people you cited aren't liberals. And I for one, have seen no credible evidence to suggest BushCo. blew up the towers.

Speaking of "stupid as a rock", didn't you vote for Bush twice, and think the invasion of iraq was a swell idea?
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That shows excellent judgement...hey, let's get his take on this whole 9/11 thing then. A two-time bush voter! I always like to hear what those guys have to say.
 
Darla said:
But you have a picture of Ron Paul on your posts?? I mean, how stupid can someone be and still manage to operate a computer? That is a question that has stumped me for some time now.
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Yes. I am an anomoly. A radical leftist RonBot.

This is the Bush legacy. He's hijacked and fucked the Republican party so badly that only the feeble minded who cannot distinguish between an institutionalized, monolithic, bureaucratic Party, and a political philosophy are still aboard.
 
Threedee said:
Fire can't melt steel. End of story.
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Intense fire though, can weaken it and make it more malleable. It doesn't have to liquify to compromise the structure of a highrise. It simply has to soften, and it can soften and did soften under the conditions on September 11th.
 
Damocles said:
I think you have lumped a few in there that do not belong. Cypress, for one, Beefy, for another, don't believe that it was the type of conspiracy that has been expressed here.
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Cypress
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Originally Posted by Beefy View Post
Not by Bushco. I don't believe the controlled implosion theory, or the missile/pentagon theory. But I do believe that we have been sold a bill of goods, and are far, far away from knowing what really happened.

Cypress:
"Agree."
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Now I admit to not being very familiar with Mr. Beefy ...but just judging from his belief that "we were sold some bill of goods" may need further clarification....

Cypress, I know for quite some time, here and on other cites...and I'll stick to judgement as him being a left wing moron....

I don't know what the hell bill of goods they both think they we were sold, but the fact that they agree is suspect on its face....]

If you can't get your mind around the FACT that freekin' terrorists hijacked 4 planes and ran 3 of them into buildings and one into the ground, you need professional help.....

If you imagine that this government knew before hand it was going to happen and did nothing to stop them...you need professional help....

If you imagine there was ANY type of conspiracy by this government and the WTC buildings collapsing, you need professional help....

If you imagine that the Commission investigating the attack, just might have left certain things unsaid to protect Clinton's lack of action against terrorists for 8 years and Bush's lack of action for terrorism for 8 months...you might just have a case.....but the real wackjobs go far beyond that ......

but the 'cover you ass' case protecting both Clinton and Bush might have some merit.....

Sandy the Burgler made any enlightenment on some facts unknowable ......
the guy certainly didn't steal from the Natinal Archives on a lark....
 
Beefy said:
Intense fire though, can weaken it and make it more malleable. It doesn't have to liquify to compromise the structure of a highrise. It simply has to soften, and it can soften and did soften under the conditions on September 11th.
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Not just this, but the structure was held together by some rather large bolts which were a place of weakness that heat could attack, much of the fireproofing was removed by the impact.

The buildings did survive the impact, but the combination of losing the fireproofing, the fact that nobody was actually fighting the fires, and how the structures were held together contributed to the final collapse. It was a string of events that brought down the buildings, any one of which the buildings could have survived, but put together caused a greater catastrophe.

The only paper ever published that passed the rigors of peer review actually covered their collapse and that of WTC 7.

For a more detailed explanation, here is a link...

http://www.debunking911.com/towers.htm

And for WTC 7...

Another link...

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
 
bravo said:
If you imagine that the Commission investigating the attack, just might have left certain things unsaid to protect Clinton's lack of action against terrorists for 8 years and Bush's lack of action for terrorism for 8 months...you might just have a case.....but the real wackjobs go far beyond that ......
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This is essentially what I believe, with the inclusion that other things have been covered up after the fact for the same reasons. Theres far more to this than we've been told.

And I'm not on "the far left". But if it makes you feel better, label me as such.
 
Oh, I certainly believe that more could have been done (by both administrations) to stop the attacks from happening, as well as some of the other terrorist attacks during the 90s.

However, I don't belive the government engineered it, and I am quite sure that the majority of people with brains agree with me...again, you are assuming that Bush is simultaneously the most clever and incompetent leader is history.
 
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