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Logical Fallacies aren't just "incorrect", or "informal" They are, plain and simple, methods by which to be DISHONEST.

Implying that it is "bad" to point out when someone is using a dishonest tactic is like saying it is bad to point out when someone is WILLFULLY LYING.
 
Agnosticus_Caesar said:
Logical Fallacies aren't just "incorrect", or "informal" They are, plain and simple, methods by which to be DISHONEST.

Implying that it is "bad" to point out when someone is using a dishonest tactic is like saying it is bad to point out when someone is WILLFULLY LYING.
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I'm not saying it is bad, I'm saying it is unnecessary....they are perhaps being dishonest, but dishonesty sells.

The reason you never see an honest politician is because the people do not wnat honesty, they want comfort- they want fallacies that they can hang their hats on that sum up their beliefs without evidence or support.
 
Pointing out someone's perceived psychological psychological issues during what is SUPPOSED to be honest debate, is not only silly, it is yet another means to dishonesty.

I couldn't care less how you FEEL while debating something. I sure as hell don't care what "sickness" is causing you to be dishonest.

Debate is about this issue, not the person discussing it.
 
[The reason you never see an honest politician is because the people do not wnat honesty, they want comfort- they want fallacies that they can hang their hats on that sum up their beliefs without evidence or support.]

No kidding. Does that mean that WE have to be dishonest as well?
 
Agnosticus_Caesar said:
Pointing out someone's perceived psychological psychological issues during what is SUPPOSED to be honest debate, is not only silly, it is yet another means to dishonesty.

I couldn't care less how you FEEL while debating something. I sure as hell don't care what "sickness" is causing you to be dishonest.

Debate is about this issue, not the person discussing it.
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And that is where you are wrong. Hell, smart people realised that (at the latest) all the way back when Kennedy beat Nixon....debate is as much the language and the person as it is the actual issue...in fact, I would venture to guess that honest debate is probably the least important factor in politics.
 
Agnosticus_Caesar said:
[The reason you never see an honest politician is because the people do not wnat honesty, they want comfort- they want fallacies that they can hang their hats on that sum up their beliefs without evidence or support.]

No kidding. Does that mean that WE have to be dishonest as well?
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No, but it means that you are wasting your time if you are trying to point out dishonesty....the people who agree with a logical fallacy aren't going to change their opinions simply because you have pointed it out.
 
[And that is where you are wrong. Hell, smart people realised that (at the latest) all the way back when Kennedy beat Nixon....debate is as much the language and the person as it is the actual issue...in fact, I would venture to guess that honest debate is probably the least important factor in politics.]

I don't see anyone disagreeing with that.

You seem to not understand that me POINTING OUT when dishonesty is occurring is not the same as me not understanding that much of politics IS dishonesty.
 
Agnosticus_Caesar said:
[And that is where you are wrong. Hell, smart people realised that (at the latest) all the way back when Kennedy beat Nixon....debate is as much the language and the person as it is the actual issue...in fact, I would venture to guess that honest debate is probably the least important factor in politics.]

I don't see anyone disagreeing with that.

You seem to not understand that me POINTING OUT when dishonesty is occurring is not the same as me not understanding that much of politics IS dishonesty.
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No, I see what you are saying...I'm just trying to save you some time and help you appear less like a douchebag (no offense).
 
If pointing out obviously dishonest behavior makes me "seem like a douchebag", then so be it. Frankly, anyone who feels as such is beneath my concern.
 
Agnosticus_Caesar said:
"The people want slavery, you're wasting your time with this abolitionism talk"
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Haha. That's what I'm talking about--- the war on slavery was won in no small part by pathos as much as it was by logos.

The fact that Northern abolitionists sitting in their cool rooms far from the field could envision how horrible it must be for some black to be slaving away (pun intended) in the cotton fields motivated them to do something more than statistics on the impracticality of slaves as a work force ever would have.
 
That is the core of my beliefs. That should be obvious. I recommend that you reconsider lecturing to those who have many years and much life experience under their belts.
 
[It just gives you a condescending tone.]

Those who consistently appeal to said fallacies, knowing that they are dishonest, DESERVE to be spoken down to.
 
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