Is it crazy to distrust the official 911 story?

I constantly argue against the "Loose Change" crowd. I see no reason to suspect that The Bush Admin had any direct hand in 9-11. Even if they wanted such a thing to happen, direct involvement has never been their style. They are the masters of "plausible deniability".

One must deal with the FACT that PNAC p
ublished, online, for all the world to see, that they wanted to invade Iraq. They did this in 2000. They also stated that they did not believe that the US populace would get on board with such an attack, unless The US suffered "an attack of Pearl Harbor Proportions". All of this is FACT, and is NOT subject to rational debate.

It is ALSO FACT, that the founding CAUSE of Al Qaeda, is to form a "Global Caliphate". This amounts to a global "kingdom" with Al Qaeda's form of Islam, "Wahhabism", being the "rules" which are to be followed.

It is also FACT that the leaders of Al Qaeda believe that the easiest, and quickest way to create such a "Global Caliphate" is to "Radicalize the Arab Street". The "Arab Street" is a term that refers to the sum of all average citizens in the Arab world.

It is ALSO fact, that Al Qaeda believes that the easiest and quickest catalyst to "Radicalizing The Arab Street" is an attack by a western nation, on an Arab nation.

It is ALSO fact that Al Qaeda HATED Iraq's government, as it was SECULAR, and it's practices were directly against everything Wahabi Islam teaches.

Let's Recap:

a) Al Qaeda wants a "Global Caliphate"
b) Al Qaeda believes that the easiest and quickest way to said "Global Caliphate" is if "The Arab Street" becomes radicalized.
c) Al Qaeda believes that the quickest and easiest catalyst for "Radicalizing The Arab Street" is a western power attack on an Arab nation
d) Iraq is an Arab Nation
e) The US is a western power
f) Iraq is exactly the nation that Al Qaeda would WANT a western nation to attack, as being BOTH an Arab nation, AND secular, it both meets their criteria for "Radicalizing The Arab Street", and is the Arab nation they'd most want to see thrown into chaos, as it's policies are in direct conflict with Wahabi Islam
g) PNAC ADVERTISED that they wanted to attack Iraq, but needed an "Attack on The United States, of Pearl Harbor Proportions" before the US population would get on board.
h) When GWB took office, he pulled half of PNAC into his admin (Chenet, Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfowitz, et al)
i) For some "strange" reason, Bush spent most of his first year in office on vacation
j) US intelligence agencies reported to The Bush Admin, prior to 9-11, that "Al Qaeda is determined to attack The US"
j) On 9-11, the parts of our military that would be equipped to handle such threats, are off on unprecedented maneuvers.
k) In Bush's first year of office, an Administration chock full of Neocons, just happens to experience "An attack on The US of Pearl Harbor Proportions", which they ultimately use to scare the populace into accepting an invasion of Iraq. Despite the fact that Iraq had no involvement in 9-11, said administration spent the better part of a year and a half REPEATEDLY, day after day, comment after comment STRONGLY IMPLYING that said nation DID.

I guess I'm just paranoid.
 
This is essentially what I believe, with the inclusion that other things have been covered up after the fact for the same reasons. Theres far more to this than we've been told.

And I'm not on "the far left". But if it makes you feel better, label me as such.
Fair enough Sir Beefy....I'll absolutely take your word for it...all that was necessary was some clarification....and you've done that....

Its the nuts talking about controlled explosions in the WTC and missiles hitting the Pentagon, and other off the wall shit that really get to me....

You have my apologies....:clink:
 
I dare one of you to try to attack my argument with a REASONABLE counter.

All you show is that you've learned the alphabet from a to i and the rest was just a little to much for you.....and that you've learned some letters in the 80's, some in the 90's and some after 2000......
the crap you post along with them is akin to arguing about a WTC conspiracy over and over again.....

Bush spent most of his first year in office on vacation

That at least is worthy a good laugh......

j) US intelligence agencies reported to The Bush Admin, prior to 9-11, that "Al Qaeda is determined to attack The US"

Amazing....you know Clinton got one that said the "same exact thing" in 1998...what a coincidence....

j) On 9-11, the parts of our military that would be equipped to handle such threats, are off on unprecedented maneuvers.

What parts were they...were they the parts of our military that check baggage at the airports....or maybe the parts of our military that check passengers arriving from overseas...ahhh well, no matter, they were off on maneuvers any way.....

I've already spent more time on your stupid post than it was worth, Tinkerbell...
 
[That at least is worthy a good laugh......]

Care to support that?

[
Amazing....you know Clinton got one that said the "same exact thing" in 1998...what a coincidence....]

Care to support THAT? Was he on vacation at the time?

[What parts were they...were they the parts of our military that check baggage at the airports....or maybe the parts of our military that check passengers arriving from overseas...ahhh well, no matter, they were off on maneuvers any way.....

I've already spent more time on your stupid post than it was worth, Tinkerbell...]

All you have done is APPEAL TO RIDICULE

I challenged you and your ilk to present a REASONED refutation, not your debate equivalent of a fart joke.
 
I just love how rabid, irrational right-wingers continue to come in with new names.

Please try to only make one post...randomly adding shit as you think of new insults to hurl gets old after a while.

As does pointing out every logical fallacy you come across-- I think we've all taken at least a basic college English course here, we really don't need the play-by-play.

With that said, continue.
 
"Please try to only make one post...randomly adding shit as you think of new insults to hurl gets old after a while.

[As does pointing out every logical fallacy you come across-- I think we've all taken at least a basic college English course here, we really don't need the play-by-play.

With that said, continue.]

English Courses don't teach Logical Fallacies. I WILL point out Logical Fallacies, as they are DISHONEST tactics.
 
HONEST debate doesn't include Logical Fallacies. Said tactics are what those who CANNOT, or WILL NOT support an argument, resort to. If you use one, you are one of three things:

1) Mistaken
2) Dishonest
3) Too fucking stupid to know the difference
 
"Please try to only make one post...randomly adding shit as you think of new insults to hurl gets old after a while.

[As does pointing out every logical fallacy you come across-- I think we've all taken at least a basic college English course here, we really don't need the play-by-play.

With that said, continue.]

English Courses don't teach Logical Fallacies. I WILL point out Logical Fallacies, as they are DISHONEST tactics.

Hmm...my general education English course was a class on rhetoric and composition...perhaps it varies, but I am certain that anyone with any sort of college experience is at least familiar with rhetorical tools and logical fallacies.
 
HONEST debate doesn't include Logical Fallacies. Said tactics are what those who CANNOT, or WILL NOT support an argument, resort to. If you use one, you are one of three things:

1) Mistaken
2) Dishonest
3) Too fucking stupid to know the difference
It may not be honest debate, but this is an internet forum...get used to dishonesty...as far as pointing them out all the time, all it does it make you look like you need to stroke your own ego, not to mention it gives the impression that you are insulting the intelligence of the rest of the board.

We are adults capable of finding logical fallacies or dishonest debate all on our own, but I appreciate you having our best interests in mind.
 
Pointing out Logical Fallacies simply cuts away all the bullshit. If a Logical Fallacy is used, and it can be demonstrated that such a thing has occurred, the one using said fallacy needs to reformulate.

it makes ZERO sense to argue with someone using a Logical Fallacy, except to point out said fallacy.

By the way, most college educated people are clueless as far as Logical Fallacies are concerned. being college educated makes someone only slightly more likely to know of them./
 
I'm quite honest to dishonesty in internet arguments, as I am used to encountering it "in real life".

Despite that, this IS a forum for debate, and one seeking to do as such should be able to accept HONEST debate, and expect to be "called on it" when they do otherwise.
 
Pointing out Logical Fallacies simply cuts away all the bullshit. If a Logical Fallacy is used, and it can be demonstrated that such a thing has occurred, the one using said fallacy needs to reformulate.

it makes ZERO sense to argue with someone using a Logical Fallacy, except to point out said fallacy.

By the way, most college educated people are clueless as far as Logical Fallacies are concerned. being college educated makes someone only slightly more likely to know of them./

I would hate to have your mind....it must be so devoid of anything but numbers and statistics...the problem is that while logical fallacies may not be "correct" when used in a debate setting, in real life the logical fallacy usually forms the centre of an argument--- and it works, because people want to hear what they want to hear, not the truth or statistics.
 
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