Is the Bible Literally True? No, of Course Not!

[Into the Night]

And women lead all kinds of things in the church but they aren't leaders of the church.

Indeed, women have a special place in the church, that of wives and mothers, and teachers and caretakers of their children.
Women that deny this only deny themselves the joy of this special heritage.

All men can do is enable it, defend it, and help with those teachings and care of their children. Part of that is holding leadership positions in the church, and assisting Christ in spreading the wonderful news of the gospel.

 

[Into the Night]

I never said the leader of the church.
I said a leadership position.

Paradox. Irrational. You can't claim both, Sock.

Deacons are part of the ordained clergy, they are high ranking christians, and leadership is about more than barking orders at others.

Illiteracy: proper nouns are capitalized.
Phoebe wasn't a deacon, Sock, and leadership is not about barking orders. Indeed, that statement alone shows you know nothing about leadership. No wonder you're king of nothing.

Romans is probably the most important epistle Paul ever wrote,

Why? Are you Roman?

and obtaining the support of the Church in Rome was possibly the most important project he ever strove to undertake.

Why? Are you Roman?

If Phoebe was just the girl who served coffee at Sunday liturgy, Paul would have never trusted her to be his emissary to Rome.

Making shit up won't work, Sock.

 

[gfm7175]

You are soooooooo downplaying the unleavened bread. Well, everybody does. Nobody likes unleavened bread. Nowadays, if you want unleavened bread, you almost have to make it yourself.

Why hasn't someone already marketed ready-made Sedar meals?

Mmmmmmm unleavened bread.

In any event, I gobble up the cardboard-tasting cracker-ish thinger that my church doles out during communion.

 

[Into the Night]

If it were possible to find the lost Gospel of Q, it would be the archeological find of the millennium.

Why? Do you think Q lost his gospel in the lab somewhere?

The fact that Jesus' relation to God isn't consistent throughout the four gospels seem to suggest evolving strands of oral traditions throughout the Levant.

Not a fact. A lie. It is consistent, Sock. Learn what 'fact' means.

The fact that the Gospels are written in Greek proves that Hellenized Jews got their hands on the early Jewish-Christian writings, and seem to have introduced Greek Platonic concepts into the story.

Not a fact. A conjecture. Learn what 'fact' means.

If I had to, I could rationally explain the resurrection.

You can't rationally explain much of anything, Sock.

Before stethoscopes and medical technology it could be difficult to tell if someone was actually dead. A weak heartbeat would be difficult to detect. The Romans apparently left Jesus to die on the cross, but he might have just been injured and barely alive when he was taken down.

He was dead (until the resurrection). A soldier even stuck a sword through him.

If he recovered from the mortal injuries in the days and weeks that followed, his reappearance to his disciples could appear miraculous.

And it was.

 

[Into the Night]

There is nothing being overlooked. It comes down to different interpretations of what is written. Again, hundreds of millions of people read the Bible and hundreds of millions of people can read the same passage and have a different understanding of what that passage means or says. You have your opinion/understanding and others have theirs, but do not think that you have the "right" understanding.

As I said a few posts ago, we are not going to agree. There is too much left up to interpretation.

No, you cannot change the Bible and still call it the Bible, Sock.

 

[Into the Night]

"A deacon is an ordained minister of the Catholic Church" (Source: US Conference of Catholic Bishops)

Depends on the church, Sock. There are different denominations of Christian churches.

 

[Into the Night]

It's dangerous to know nothing about a topic and assume you can acquire expertise with just 20 seconds of frantic Googling, without the risk of fucking it up.

The perfect example of this kind of buffoonery is IBDumbass

No, Sock. You don't get to blame YOUR problems on IBDaMann or anybody else.

 

[Into the Night]

Why can't people be happy with their religion? Practice it and quit bothering others with it.

I am happy in my religion, Sock. I want others to be just as happy, if they want to be.

But you would rather wallow around in the misery of your own making.

 

[Into the Night]

Let's say that I acknowledge that this might have changed at some point (I didn't follow it). You are nonetheless acknowledging the much greater mistranslation of the Greek word for "servant" into the modern English word "deacon."

Exactly.

A deacon is a servant, but a servant is not necessarily a deacon. The Sock equates the two as the same thing. A false equivalence fallacy.

 

[IBDaMann]

You just beat me!

It's my lightning reflexes. I really couldn't help it.

 

[Into the Night]

You are soooooooo downplaying the unleavened bread. Well, everybody does. Nobody likes unleavened bread. Nowadays, if you want unleavened bread, you almost have to make it yourself.

Why hasn't someone already marketed ready-made Sedar meals?

https://www.amazon.com/passover-bread/s?k=passover+bread
Also available at local bakeries (typically Jewish owned).

Complete ready to use meals can be found at https://www.grandmaschickensoup.com/products/281-the-complete-passover-meal/ and various other suppliers.

 

[ZenMode]

Your own posts within this thread.

Right... so you don't have an actual example. You're just talking out of your ass again.

 

[ZenMode]

No, you cannot change the Bible and still call it the Bible, Sock.

I'll ask a question that you won't answer. What specifically am I changing? Example?

 

[ZenMode]

Inversion fallacies don't work, Sock. Assumption of victory fallacy. Cliche fallacy.

Not my fault that you aren't able to answer simple questions. If you don't want me to say you struck out, then don't strike out. Give me something.... get on base.

 

[IBDaMann]

Mmmmmmm unleavened bread.

I once had to make a Sedar meal, and that involved making unleavened bread. I remember thinking "Why don't they just say it in English? Why don't they just say 'don't add yeast for it to rise'?" In any event, after I made unleavened bread, I realized that there was no difference between unleavened bread and leavened bread that I smooshed with my fingers.

Additionally, it was explained to me that the Israelites were required to eat unleavened bread because they were going to be in such a hurry to get out of Egypt, that they couldn't afford to just dilly-dally waiting for the bread to rise. I remember thinking "... but Moses knew of this days in advance! Couldn't he have instructed the Israelites to make their bread in advance ... or just not eat bread that evening?"

I also remember wondering if any Egyptians learned of the secret recipe for avoiding the Angel of Death, who apparently couldn't distinguish between Egyptians and Israelites, and had to sniff their breaths to find out which ones had eaten unleavened bread. What if the Egyptians simply hadn't eaten any leavened bread? There were just too many holes in this story for my liking.

In any event, I gobble up the cardboard-tasting cracker-ish thinger that my church doles out during communion.

It's amazing how those tasteless wafers just melt in your mouth. Put one on the tongue and start the stopwatch.

 

[IBDaMann]

https://www.amazon.com/passover-bread/s?k=passover+bread
Also available at local bakeries (typically Jewish owned).

Complete ready to use meals can be found at https://www.grandmaschickensoup.com/products/281-the-complete-passover-meal/ and various other suppliers.

I guess I should have researched with a tad more rigor: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B09VJJ3HWP/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_plhdr=t&aaxitk=452d479e639d9dcb6a54c9d8963e250c&hsa_cr_id=0&qid=1712772279&sr=1-1-9e67e56a-6f64-441f-a281-df67fc737124&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_lsi4d_asin_0_img&pd_rd_w=nXLQM&content-id=amzn1.sym.417820b0-80f2-4084-adb3-fb612550f30b%3Aamzn1.sym.417820b0-80f2-4084-adb3-fb612550f30b&pf_rd_p=417820b0-80f2-4084-adb3-fb612550f30b&pf_rd_r=HZW0648XXQ50C487ZDE3&pd_rd_wg=ljOLp&pd_rd_r=ee67d744-313b-48d4-980b-753c862cbcf7

 

[Into the Night]

Right... so you don't have an actual example. You're just talking out of your ass again.

Argument of the Stone fallacy. Paradox. Irrational. You cannot deny your own posts, Sock. ANYONE can read them!

 

[Into the Night]

I'll ask a question that you won't answer. What specifically am I changing? Example?

RQAA. Stop asking the same question over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, Sock. It's been answered. This stupid habit of yours won't work.

 

[Into the Night]

Not my fault that you aren't able to answer simple questions. If you don't want me to say you struck out, then don't strike out. Give me something.... get on base.

RQAA.

 

[ZenMode]

RQAA.

Here we go.... time to start claiming you answered questions you didn't answer. Lol..