Is the Bible Literally True? No, of Course Not!

[Into the Night]

Biblical inerrancy and biblical literalism is a Protestant tradition. These days, most likely a fundamentalist Protestant tradition.

Fundamentalist Protestants are only a minority of world Christianity.

Whether or not the bible is divinely inspired is the realm of opinion. I don't think a guy in a white robe was telling Luke what to write.

Disagreement on the day Jesus died seems pretty minor to me. All the authors in the NT seem to convey a Jesus who preached universal love, mercy, and stood on the side of the poor and oppressed. That essence seems authentic, given that multiple independent sources convey it.

Very little ancient literature that survives records events in real time as events unfolded. The lives and teachings of Confucius and Bhudda were written down centuries after they died. The Histories of Herodotus were written decades after the Greco-Persian wars. Are historical sources for the Mauryan Empire of India post-date the empire by centuries. No writings of the Greek Ionian philosophers survive. We only know about them by the writings of Athenian Greeks more than a century later.

Saint Paul knew at least two of Jesus' disciples, Peter and Jesus' brother James. Some people think Mark was Peter's companion and Mark's Gospel in a summary of what Peter told him. That is open to debate. As far as surviving ancient sources though, that is pretty decent at getting back to original sources.

No Protestants own the Bible, Sock.

 

[Into the Night]

There are no legitimate scientists who claim the multiverse is literally true. It's just speculation.

Because it is not a theory of science, Sock.
It's not even a valid word. The Universe means ONE. There is no multiverse and universe at the same time.

There are plenty of fundamentalists who claim the bible is inerrant and factually true in every respect.

The books the English translation came from are.
The English translation has errors.

 

[Cypress]

So nothing written in a book about multiverse is true? What I posted said nothing about whether or not the Bible was inerrant or factually true.

Correct, nothing written in any reputable science publication assets the multiverse is true. At best, it's described as conjecture and speculation.

On the flip side, numerous fundamentalists believe the bible is inerrant and factually true.

 

[Yakuda]

Correct, nothing written in any reputable science publication assets the multiverse is true. At best, it's described as conjecture and speculation.

On the flip side, numerous fundamentalists believe the bible is inerrant and factually true.

So AGAIN nothing in book about multiverse is true. Nothing.

Prove the bibles not true.

 

[ZenMode]

So AGAIN nothing in book about multiverse is true. Nothing.

Prove the bibles not true.

Prove The Iliad and The Odyssey aren't true.

 

[ZenMode]

Chanted like a member of the Church of No God.
Someday you should read the Bible and find out how wrong you are with these statements.

I've read the Bible. That's how I know it's not inerrant and how I know that Mark and John say that Jesus was died on different days.

 

[Yakuda]

Prove The Iliad and The Odyssey aren't true.

I didn't make the claim they aren't. You introduce a lot of irrelevant stuff to conversations don't you?

 

[IBDaMann]

I think that, with this question, you have already answered your own question.

As a last-ditch effort, what about some loaves and fish? (to that end, WWJP? [what would Jesus prefer] Cod or red snapper?) I can get those from a local market and, while I realize that everything is in the delivery, Into the Night seems to be a pessimistic "stick-in-the-mud" regarding my ability to get in some last-minute schmoozing. He makes it sound like I have "an atheist's chance in heaven". Seriously, he has never seen me schmooze. Oh, regarding the loaves, Italian bread or French?

No worries. I'm not a Democrat (nor a warmizombie).

That's how you know God is a conservative, i.e. he didn't create a mindless collective.

As far as The Bible goes, readers of it are told that Jesus is currently busy "preparing a place for [all believers]". [John 14:1-4]

Naturally He is allocating space according to the RSVP list. I totally get that, but everybody builds a little cushion into the plans for unexpected last minute additions or change of plans, right? Surely there's a "stand-by list," yes?

There are some interesting parallels between how an "ancient Jewish" wedding was conducted and how The Bible describes the relationship between Jesus and "His Bride" (which is most commonly understood to be synonymous with the terms 'The Church' and 'The Body of Christ',

Tell me that there's no vow to forsake all others. If there is then I'm just going to have to wave to you from the other side of the fence.

First, there needs to be "mutual commitment".

I could do that at the last minute, sure ... like a Las Vegas wedding. Then you and I will be able to grab some manna at the bar.

You could think of this as an "arranged wedding gone bad" in which the Bride is not at all attracted to the Groom (IOW, she doesn't love him and doesn't want to be with him).

In Islamic societies, this is the norm. In fact, it is not uncommon for a woman to be married to a cousin. That's the nature of arranged marriages; the parents do the arranging.

If you wish to have a relationship with Jesus, then you have to come to him willingly and faithfully (through the guidance of the Holy Spirit).

I can do this; I'm just asking for a grace period (no pun intended). What can I plead to just get "community service"? I can teach a course or two at Hillsdale College.

This includes baptism (as Jesus was also baptized).

Hey, I was baptized. Is that a trump card?

She is likewise aware of the general time in which Jesus is coming back for her, but she does not know the exact day or hour (thus the need for her to always be "imminently prepared for him to arrive").

Kind of like a Parusia DEFCON 2.

One very important sign of this is the re-formation of Israel as a nation.

So .... this has been "imminent" for over 75 years?

I suppose that people think they thound "thmarter" that way.

"Look how thmart I am! I have no conthept of math!"

 

[ZenMode]

I didn't make the claim they aren't. You introduce a lot of irrelevant stuff to conversations don't you?

My point is that you can't prove that the Bible isn't true any more than you can prove that The Iliad isn't true. You also can't prove that leprechauns and fairies don't exist.

 

[Into the Night]

I've read the Bible.

Obviously not.

That's how I know it's not inerrant and how I know that Mark and John say that Jesus was died on different days.

They don't specify a date, Sock.

 

[Into the Night]

So AGAIN nothing in book about multiverse is true. Nothing.

Prove the bibles not true.

Attempted force of negative proof fallacy.

It is not possible to prove the Bible True or False.

 

[Into the Night]

Prove The Iliad and The Odyssey aren't true.

Homer.

He wrote these two poems as fiction. He said they were fiction.

These two classic pieces of literature became an important part of Greek culture. Homer still today is honored as one of the greatest poets of Greece.

 

[ZenMode]

Obviously not.

They don't specify a date, Sock.

I didn't say they specify a date. They reference the day of his death as being relative to a specific holiday. If you were knowledgeable about the Bible, you would know that.

 

[Into the Night]

My point is that you can't prove that the Bible isn't true any more than you can prove that The Iliad isn't true. You also can't prove that leprechauns and fairies don't exist.

Leprechauns are a derivation of 'little people' and stems from the Latin "Lupercalia", a festival held in Rome in February where aristocratic boys ran naked through Rome (called Luperci). These were later compared to 'werewolves' in Greece where men were converted into wolves by swimming through a lake in Arcadia. Due to language translation problems, the Irish simply referred to this comparison as a non-human race of little people. The rest, over the years, evolved into many of the fanciful tellings and retellings of stories and fantasies the Irish are so known for.

So leprechauns do exist, as a feature of these tales told and retold throughout Ireland.

The word 'fairy' originates in France and meant a fictional tiny being with wings (or their home, fairyland). It stems from French words meaning, "sorcery" and "to say".
Tales of fairies were popular entities in children's stories since the 17th century, usually described as tiny winged beings, often found in or under bushes are fluttering around a glade.

So fairies exist, as a feature in children's tales.

Today, the word 'fairy' is also used to describe an effeminate male homosexual (starting around 1895) and is still used today in that context.

Fairies have also been associated with certain fungi and their growth pattern (fairy ring), or with some roads (fairy pavement). A 'fairy godmother' was described in some fictional stories as a kind of 'good witch', and usually appears to help the protagonist in some way (Example: the Oz stories).

So yes...both fairies and leprechauns exist. We even have words for them.

 

[Into the Night]

I didn't say they specify a date.

Yes you did. Don't try to deny your own posts, Sock.

They reference the day of his death as being relative to a specific holiday.

They don't do that either, Sock.

If you were knowledgeable about the Bible, you would know that.

You are describing yourself again, Sock. You cannot project YOUR problems on anybody else.

 

[archives]

The age of the Earth is unknown.

Oh, so it is only 6,000 years old, I guess then Jonah did do three days inside that whale, no one can prove he didn’t

Funny, even Jews who wrote the Bible don’t believe the Evangelicals idiocy

 

[Into the Night]

Oh, so it is only 6,000 years old,

The age of the Earth is unknown, Sock.

I guess then Jonah did do three days inside that whale, no one can prove he didn’t

Quite right.

Funny, even Jews who wrote the Bible don’t believe the Evangelicals idiocy

What 'Evangelical idiocy', Sock?

 

[ZenMode]

Leprechauns are a derivation of 'little people' and stems from the Latin "Lupercalia", a festival held in Rome in February where aristocratic boys ran naked through Rome (called Luperci). These were later compared to 'werewolves' in Greece where men were converted into wolves by swimming through a lake in Arcadia. Due to language translation problems, the Irish simply referred to this comparison as a non-human race of little people. The rest, over the years, evolved into many of the fanciful tellings and retellings of stories and fantasies the Irish are so known for.

So leprechauns do exist, as a feature of these tales told and retold throughout Ireland.

The word 'fairy' originates in France and meant a fictional tiny being with wings (or their home, fairyland). It stems from French words meaning, "sorcery" and "to say".
Tales of fairies were popular entities in children's stories since the 17th century, usually described as tiny winged beings, often found in or under bushes are fluttering around a glade.

So fairies exist, as a feature in children's tales.

Today, the word 'fairy' is also used to describe an effeminate male homosexual (starting around 1895) and is still used today in that context.

Fairies have also been associated with certain fungi and their growth pattern (fairy ring), or with some roads (fairy pavement). A 'fairy godmother' was described in some fictional stories as a kind of 'good witch', and usually appears to help the protagonist in some way (Example: the Oz stories).

So yes...both fairies and leprechauns exist. We even have words for them.

Your dedication to playing dumb and trolling is impressive. You know what I meant by leprechaun and fairy, but chose to play dumb and troll. P I would expect nothing less.

 

[ZenMode]

Yes you did. Don't try to deny your own posts, Sock.

They don't do that either, Sock.

You are describing yourself again, Sock. You cannot project YOUR problems on anybody else.

"They don't do that either, Sock."

I assume you have a Bible. I assume you know how to read and can find the books of Mark and John. You should educate yourself.

 

[Into the Night]

Your dedication to playing dumb and trolling is impressive. You know what I meant by leprechaun and fairy, but chose to play dumb and troll. P I would expect nothing less.

No, I can't read your mind, Sock. I simply gave a description of where leprechauns and fairies came from.