Is the Bible Literally True? No, of Course Not!

Into the Night said:
I understood your question and answered it. I already answered these too.
RQAA.
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Let's go to the replay video:

Here is the post where I asked the question the first time. Here's what I asked:

"Where do these theories come from? Does "science" magically generate them?"

Then I reworded it to make it clear what I was asking.

WHO is noticing the patterns? WHO is combining other theories? WHO is rearranging theories? Do you believe that protons and neutrons theorize about the movement of electrons in their orbits?"

Here is your "answer".

Theories of science may come from anywhere. They may be inspired by noting a pattern of observations, by re-arranging or combining other theories of science, in one's dreams, or even by watching an episode of Sponge Bob.

Are you saying the response above answers "who" is the source of theories?
 
Into the Night said:
You aren't attempting to misquote the Greek or Aramaic version, Sock. You are attempting to misquote the English version.

It is true, Sock.

Strawman fallacies. What churches teach is not the Bible, Sock. The Bible, and ONLY the Bible, is the authoritative reference of the Bible. Your attempts to misquote the Bible in order to destroy the Bible isn't going to work.
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"The Bible, and ONLY the Bible, is the authoritative reference of the Bible."

The Bible is true because the Bible says so. :laugh:
 
ZenMode said:
Greek.... or Aramaic.
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Neither. You aren't changing those versions. You are changing the English version (specifically the NIV translation that you were quoting from).

ZenMode said:
Not true.
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Yes, it is.

ZenMode said:
There are theological disagreements about what's required for salvation. Some say all you have to do is believe. Some say that you have "act" like a Christian. Some people believe there is a literal hell that people are sent to (per New Testament) and other people don't believe that (per the Old Testament). I could go on and on.
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All sorts of churches teach all sorts of different things, but as ITN already mentioned, a church is not the authoritative reference of The Bible. The Bible itself is the authoritative reference of The Bible.

Yes, different churches will teach different things about what is required for salvation. However, The Bible itself makes it very clear that salvation is the result of God's grace through faith alone. (Source: Ephesians 2:8-9)

Even the most skeptical of people will have faith in many different things, such as having faith that a chair won't break when they sit down in it. In fact, life in general is a constant series of acts of faith, with some acts of faith being greater than others. Accepting the finished work of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ (his death and resurrection) is the ultimate act of faith.

One cannot earn one's way into Heaven. The only way there is via the gift of God's grace, through faith alone. How does one receive this gift? One receives this gift in the very same manner as one receives any other gift. One reaches out and receives the gift unto oneself. For a $100 bill, it means reaching out one's hands and receiving the $100 bill in one's grasp. For the gift of salvation, it means reaching out to God in prayer and receiving his gift of salvation (receiving his gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ).

As for "a literal hell" or not (you need to be more specific with that word, but I do know what one is typically referring to whenever the word 'hell' is used), The Bible is VERY clear about the existence of what is described as a "lake of fire" (Source: Revelation 20:14). This passage says that both 'death' and 'hell' (aka hades) will eventually be thrown into this aforementioned "lake of fire" (aka the second death, aka the eternal death). At this point, those who have "life" (through Jesus) and those who have "death" (without Jesus) are eternally separated from each other.

ZenMode said:
You're conflating "not agreeing with you" with "not familiar with the Bible".
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Nope. Your issue is that you are relying on the (lack of) intellect of your mind masters rather than spending time with The Word for yourself. Just as you need to spend time with a person in order to get to know him or her better, you also need to spend time with The Word in order to get to know HIM better.

ZenMode said:
I do understand them as they are written. You want to interpret them differently. Again, if the Bible were clear....
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Nope. At this point, you don't know The Word at all. That truth is self evident.

ZenMode said:
Yes, you've explained your interpretation of them. I've explained my interpretation of them. Remember when I said there's no point in continuing the discussion because we aren't going to agree. I continue to be right.
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Nope. At this point, you continue to be clueless. You continue to refuse to learn. You continue to refuse to spend time with The Word.
 
gfm7175 said:
Neither. You aren't changing those versions. You are changing the English version (specifically the NIV translation that you were quoting from).


Yes, it is.


All sorts of churches teach all sorts of different things, but as ITN already mentioned, a church is not the authoritative reference of The Bible. The Bible itself is the authoritative reference of The Bible.

Yes, different churches will teach different things about what is required for salvation. However, The Bible itself makes it very clear that salvation is the result of God's grace through faith alone. (Source: Ephesians 2:8-9)

Even the most skeptical of people will have faith in many different things, such as having faith that a chair won't break when they sit down in it. In fact, life in general is a constant series of acts of faith, with some acts of faith being greater than others. Accepting the finished work of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ (his death and resurrection) is the ultimate act of faith.

One cannot earn one's way into Heaven. The only way there is via the gift of God's grace, through faith alone. How does one receive this gift? One receives this gift in the very same manner as one receives any other gift. One reaches out and receives the gift unto oneself. For a $100 bill, it means reaching out one's hands and receiving the $100 bill in one's grasp. For the gift of salvation, it means reaching out to God in prayer and receiving his gift of salvation (receiving his gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ).

As for "a literal hell" or not (you need to be more specific with that word, but I do know what one is typically referring to whenever the word 'hell' is used), The Bible is VERY clear about the existence of what is described as a "lake of fire" (Source: Revelation 20:14). This passage says that both 'death' and 'hell' (aka hades) will eventually be thrown into this aforementioned "lake of fire" (aka the second death, aka the eternal death). At this point, those who have "life" (through Jesus) and those who have "death" (without Jesus) are eternally separated from each other.


Nope. Your issue is that you are relying on the (lack of) intellect of your mind masters rather than spending time with The Word for yourself. Just as you need to spend time with a person in order to get to know him or her better, you also need to spend time with The Word in order to get to know HIM better.


Nope. At this point, you don't know The Word at all. That truth is self evident.


Nope. At this point, you continue to be clueless. You continue to refuse to learn. You continue to refuse to spend time with The Word.
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You say I'm changing the Bible even though I'm copying and pasting.

By "learn" you mean accept your understanding of the words because your understanding is the "right" understanding and anything different is wrong.

Do you believe that Matthew wrote the book of Matthew, Mark wrote Mark, etc? There are many educated and smart people, including pastors at the churches you likely dislike, who believe otherwise.
 
ZenMode said:
You say I'm changing the Bible even though I'm copying and pasting.

By "learn" you mean accept your understanding of the words because your understanding is the "right" understanding and anything different is wrong.

Do you believe that Matthew wrote the book of Matthew, Mark wrote Mark, etc? There are many educated and smart people, including pastors at the churches you likely dislike, who believe otherwise.
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NOBODY with even the slightest amount of Biblical knowledge thinks Matthew, Mark or Luke wrote those gospels. It’s not even an issue of belief.
 
ZenMode said:
Let's go to the replay video:

Here is the post where I asked the question the first time. Here's what I asked:

"Where do these theories come from? Does "science" magically generate them?"

Then I reworded it to make it clear what I was asking.

WHO is noticing the patterns? WHO is combining other theories? WHO is rearranging theories? Do you believe that protons and neutrons theorize about the movement of electrons in their orbits?"

Here is your "answer".

Theories of science may come from anywhere. They may be inspired by noting a pattern of observations, by re-arranging or combining other theories of science, in one's dreams, or even by watching an episode of Sponge Bob.

Are you saying the response above answers "who" is the source of theories?
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RQAA.
 
ZenMode said:
You say I'm changing the Bible even though I'm copying and pasting.

By "learn" you mean accept your understanding of the words because your understanding is the "right" understanding and anything different is wrong.

Do you believe that Matthew wrote the book of Matthew, Mark wrote Mark, etc? There are many educated and smart people, including pastors at the churches you likely dislike, who believe otherwise.
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You are not copying the Bible, Sock.
 
domer76 said:
NOBODY with even the slightest amount of Biblical knowledge thinks Matthew, Mark or Luke wrote those gospels. It’s not even an issue of belief.
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You don't get to speak for everyone, Sock. You only get to speak for you. Omniscience fallacy.
Your opinion does not falsify the Bible or make it disappear.
 
Into the Night said:
You don't get to speak for everyone, Sock. You only get to speak for you. Omniscience fallacy.
Your opinion does not falsify the Bible or make it disappear.
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Why? You repeatedly claim to answer questions you never answered and re-create reality as needed to avoid the truth.
 
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domer76 said:
NOBODY with even the slightest amount of Biblical knowledge thinks Matthew, Mark or Luke wrote those gospels. It’s not even an issue of belief.
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My in-laws are as active in their church as anyone I have ever known. They rarely actually go to a church service because they are busy working at the church. They have organized and participated in Bible studies for as long as I have known them. I would bet my retirement and home that they absolutely believe that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The people that know the truth are the people who educate themselves on the Bible as a book not as divine scripture. I betThat number is very, very, very small.
 
ZenMode said:
My in-laws are as active in their church as anyone I have ever known. They rarely actually go to a church service because they are busy working at the church. They have organized and participated in Bible studies for as long as I have known them. I would bet my retirement and home that they absolutely believe that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The people that know the truth are the people who educate themselves on the Bible as a book not as divine scripture. I betThat number is very, very, very small.
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You nailed it.
 
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