Is the Civil Rights movement what turned the South Republican for 50 years..

Jarod said:
For the first time ever a Southern State has shown some movement toward liberalism regarding social issues, Virginia with the AG's statement that he wont defend the anti-gay marriage ban.

If you look at voting patterns and if you know people from the South, generationally as I have, you know that since reconstruction, they have been social conservatives. (Its another post all together, but I think Sherman's March of destruction is what gave rise to the social conservatism, much like punishment of Germany after WWI is what gave rise to Nazism) The South supported the Democrats because they are the party that supported the institution of slavery, and from the 1860's to the 1960's was the party that assisted with propping up the social structure of segregation. (not that they got much fight from the republicans) But that all changed with the election of JFK, he promoted the idea of integration and supported the Civil Rights Movement.

JFK's death left LBJ with little choice but to champion the waive of support that the north insisted upon for the Civil Rights Movement. For the first time ever it was the Democrats being the social liberals, promoting change from the established order. National Guard Troops had to be called in to finish the job Abe Lincoln left undone. The Southern Social Conservative Democrats were furious and never again voted for a Democrat in a national election, (except a few exceptions including Georgia's support of JC). Slowly the demise of the national Democratic party in the South led to the end of the local Democratic party and most places in the former Confederate States barely have a Democratic party now.

But something is changing in Virginia and possibly North Carolina, demographics are changing. People are moving to Northern Virginia, new people are moving to North Carolina. Those two states are experiencing the influx of outsiders Florida has been experiencing for the last 100 years. Now that Florida is so crowded the move South is landing in cities like Charlotte and Asheville. If migration is finally ending the Social Conservatives grip on the Southern Electoral votes, are we about to see an even stronger liberal party?
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Funny thing though. When he ran for office he said he wouldn't use his office for this type of activism. He also took an oath to defend their Constitution. Guess that doesn't matter to you libs as long as the ends justify the means right?
 
Jarod said:
I agree with most of what you say here. For this discussion, I should have more precisely said "Social Liberal" instead of liberal. You are correct about the public schools, Virginia and NC have great compulsory free primary education systems, that led to great secondary educational systems. Much of the remainder of the South Cut off their nose with education after integration.

The Triad region an new technology corridor is one of the things that has led to the changing demographics due to migration. Clearly the cities are much more liberal than the rural areas, but that's nationwide and as people move into cities, is a growing situation that is intertwined with migration. Nobody moves from Chicago to the rural cities in NC, they move to Charlotte.
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"The Triad region and new technology corridor is one of the things that has led to the changing demographics due to migration."

Wow....I am impressed......how very literate and polished Jarod's posts have become.....or is it plagiarism...lmao
 
The first republican gov. in Alabama (since Reconstruction anyway) came about due to the bumblings of the democratic party. And it was more about an independent (stubborn?) streak in my fellow Alabamians than about anyone wanting Guy Hunt as gov.

The Democratic Primary in Alabama came down to a very close race, but Charlie Graddick won. The Democrats wanted Baxley in. There was a lawsuit about people crossing party lines in the primary, ect ect ect. The Party put Baxley up as the candidate. He lost. In fact, the republican candidate received most votes ever for a governor's election in AL. Shame about Baxley. I am a big fan of his from his days prosecuting racist church bombers and his fight against the KKK.
 
WinterBorn said:
The first republican gov. in Alabama (since Reconstruction anyway) came about due to the bumblings of the democratic party. And it was more about an independent (stubborn?) streak in my fellow Alabamians than about anyone wanting Guy Hunt as gov.

The Democratic Primary in Alabama came down to a very close race, but Charlie Graddick won. The Democrats wanted Baxley in. There was a lawsuit about people crossing party lines in the primary, ect ect ect. The Party put Baxley up as the candidate. He lost. In fact, the republican candidate received most votes ever for a governor's election in AL. Shame about Baxley. I am a big fan of his from his days prosecuting racist church bombers and his fight against the KKK.
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The democratic party is astonishingly efficient at screwing itself...
 
This is a very curious and interesting claim; so let me see if I understand the logic. Southern Democrats were against the Civil Rights Act of 1963. More Republicans supported the act than did Democrats from a percentage standpoint; so to show their anger, Southern Democrats JOINED the Republicans who had overwhelmingly supported and sponsored the legislation to get even with Johnson for signing the law; is that what we are saying here?

It doesn't sound very logical. I mean, why would you join a party MORE invested in the act than your own party?

Vote totals[edit]

Totals are in "Yea–Nay" format:
The original House version: 290–130 (69–31%).
Cloture in the Senate: 71–29 (71–29%).
The Senate version: 73–27 (73–27%).
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289–126 (70–30%).

By party[edit]

The original House version:[19]
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:[20]
Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:[19]
Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[19]
Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

By party and region[edit]

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)


Here’s some interesting reading:

As a result of unrelenting efforts by Democrats to shift their racist past onto the backs of Republicans, using the mantra: "the parties switched sides", a lot of people have requested an article addressing this issue.

It does not make sense to believe that racist Democrats suddenly rushed into the Republican Party, especially after Republicans spent nearly 150 years fighting for black civil rights. In fact, the racist Democrats declared they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than a Republican because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.

From the time of its inception in 1854 as the anti-slavery party, the Republican Party has always been the party of freedom and equality for blacks. As author Michael Scheuer wrote, the Democratic Party is the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism. Democrats have been running black communities for the past 50+ years, and the socialist policies of the Democrats have turned those communities into economic and social wastelands.
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The racist Democrats of the 1950's and 1960's that Republicans were fighting died Democrats. One racist Democrat who survived until 2010 was US Senator Robert Byrd, a former recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan. Notably, the Ku Klux Klan was started by Democrats in 1866 and became the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party for the purpose of terrorizing and lynching Republicans—black and white. Byrd became a prominent leader in the Democrat-controlled Congress where he was honored by his fellow Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate."
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Contrary to popular belief, President Lyndon Johnson did not predict a racist exodus to the Republican Party from the Democratic Party because of Johnson's support of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Omitted from the Democrats' rewritten history is what Johnson actually meant by his prediction.

Johnson feared that the racist Democrats would again form a third party, such as the short-lived States Rights Democratic Party. In fact, Alabama's Democrat Governor George C. Wallace in 1968 started the American Independent Party that attracted other racist candidates, including Democrat Governor Lester Maddox.

Behind closed doors, Johnson said: "These Negroes, they're getting uppity these days. That's a problem for us, since they got something now they never had before. The political pull to back up their upityness. Now, we've got to do something about this. We've got to give them a little something. Just enough to quiet them down, but not enough to make a difference. If we don't move at all, their allies will line up against us. And there'll be no way to stop them. It'll be Reconstruction all over again."
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The "Southern Strategy" that began in the 1970's was an effort by Nixon to get fair-minded people in the South to stop voting for Democrats who did not share their values and were discriminating against blacks. Georgia did not switch until 2004, and Louisiana was controlled by Democrats until the election of Republican Bobby Jindal, a person of color, as governor in 2007.

As the co-architect of Nixon's "Southern Strategy", Pat Buchanan provided a first-hand account of the origin and intent of that strategy in a 2002 article posted on the Internet. Buchanan wrote that Nixon declared that the Republican Party would be built on a foundation of states' rights, human rights, small government and a strong national defense. Nixon said he would leave it to the Democratic Party to squeeze the last ounce of political juice out of the rotting fruit of racial injustice.

http://blackrepublican.blogspot.com/2012/06/republicans-and-democrats-did-not.html
 
Kevin Phillips has a slightly different story as to what the southern strategy was really all about.

And, in 2005, Ken Mehlman, former RNC Chair, formally apologized to the NAACP for the GOP's past history of ignoring the black vote and exploiting racial conflicts in the south.
 
maineman said:
Kevin Phillips has a slightly different story as to what the southern strategy was really all about.

And, in 2005, Ken Mehlman, former RNC Chair, formally apologized to the NAACP for the GOP's past history of ignoring the black vote and exploiting racial conflicts in the south.
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I read that Wikipedia entry; how do you suppose they "exploited" racial conflicts in the South?
 
how can the party that cant get any fucking votes of color claim to be the world authority on race relations?


they cant but they are fucking cheaters so they try
 
maineman said:
why don't you ask the former RNC Chair. It was HIS apology, not mine.
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So you just accept an entry in a Wikipedia article without anything to substantiate your vast knowledge about the Civil Rights era and the myth of Nixons "Southern Strategy" ; fascinating.
 
evince said:
how can the party that cant get any fucking votes of color claim to be the world authority on race relations?

they cant but they are fucking cheaters so they try
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Because the world is filled with uneducated dunces like you who parrot the bullshit they are spoon fed by hyper partisan Liberal organizations. People like you who erupt rather than think.

You might want to read the link I posted and try to have a basic clue of what it is we are talking about.
 
Truth Detector said:
So you just accept an entry in a Wikipedia article without anything to substantiate your vast knowledge about the Civil Rights era and the myth of Nixons "Southern Strategy" ; fascinating.
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are you suggesting that Mehlman did not make a speech to the NAACP? Are you suggesting that Phillips was not part of the team that developed the southern strategy, or did Pat Buchanan create it all by himself? Fact: republicans used to have the black vote, but, because their were more whites than blacks in the south, and because the democrats used to cater to white racists, the south was solid blue. After the civil rights act was passed, the two parties reversed roles. Democrats now have the black vote, but the republicans have the racist white south. Both sides are happier now with their current constituencies. You guys can have the racist whites, and we'll take all the non-racist whites and all the other ethnic groups.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-14-GOP-racial-politics_x.htm
 
in my case, and I think a lot of others, it was the Carter administration that turned us Republican......it had nothing to do with race and a lot to do with economics.....
 
maineman said:
are you suggesting that Mehlman did not make a speech to the NAACP? Are you suggesting that Phillips was not part of the team that developed the southern strategy, or did Pat Buchanan create it all by himself? Fact: republicans used to have the black vote, but, because their were more whites than blacks in the south, and because the democrats used to cater to white racists, the south was solid blue. After the civil rights act was passed, the two parties reversed roles. Democrats now have the black vote, but the republicans have the racist white south. Both sides are happier now with their current constituencies. You guys can have the racist whites, and we'll take all the non-racist whites and all the other ethnic groups.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-14-GOP-racial-politics_x.htm
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Fascinating; so when was it Republicans "had" the black vote?
 
now, they are solidly in the democratic camp... yes indeed. just like they USED to be solidly behind the party of Lincoln... and I just pointed out how you all willfully discarded them, and decided that numbers were more important than principles... but hey, it worked for y'all. You OWN the white racist southern vote. Congratulations.
 
1966stang said:
Actually I had lunch with a liberal professor today. He was making the point that he just wanted them to think about what they believed. An open mind is not conducive to conservative politics. Not my fault.
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So you're saying when I was a snot nosed 18 year old democrat casting my first vote for Jimmy Carter, I was a political genius, and 4 years later when I voted for Reagan I turned into a dumbass?
 
callinectes said:
So you're saying when I was a snot nosed 18 year old democrat casting my first vote for Jimmy Carter, I was a political genius, and 4 years later when I voted for Reagan I turned into a dumbass?
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no... only that your youthful altruism had soured into self serving opportunism.
 
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